Game 131, 2015

Giants at Dodgers, 7:10PM PT, TV: SPNLA, CSN-BA

Bumgarner versus Greinke. If this were the opener of a playoff series the hype would hit Warp Six. Last year’s World Series MVP will pitch for the Giants against their ancestral enemy the Dodgers, who counter with this year’s leading Cy Young contender. Bumgarner won all five of his August starts with an ERA of 1.43; Greinke is 8-1 in his last ten starts and has the best ERA in MLB at 1.61.

Each manager is hoping his pitcher can go deep into the game, because bullpens on both sides were depleted in last night’s 14-inning affair. The Giants used eight pitchers in relief; the Dodgers used six. Here’s a shout-out to the Dodgers’ frequently-maligned Jim Johnson and Chris Hatcher, who combined for five spotless innings in the extra frames.

Lineup when available.

Look! Mattingly thinks he’s Tony LaRussa! Put the pitcher in the 8-hole, why not? I’m still wondering about the discussion in the dugout last night about pinch-hitting Kershaw or Greinke in the 11th inning; how hard did each of them lobby?

  • WBBsAs

    I finally got a chance to watch the 14th, and here’s my game summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeVHyMFdCFA

  • WBBsAs
  • package206

    I don’t think this is a very strong lineup.

    • WBBsAs

      Given the absence of Puig and Quique, it’s about as good as possible.

      • package206

        Its not mandatory that all the batters except AGon and Joc who will strike out or walk are right handed or switch.

        • WBBsAs

          AGon his lefties well, Joc plays elite defense. In a game that’s likely to be close, it makes sense.

          • Utley’s played all but one game since he came over from the Phillies, so giving him a day off seems okay, but against the Giants? Why not earlier against the Cubs?

  • WBBsAs
  • Fer heaven’s sake. Chickenpox

    • WBBsAs

      So, the Royals are anti-vaxxers?

  • WBBsAs
    • Ouch. I foresee a full-time DH job in Hanley’s future, but maybe not with the Red Sox. How much longer has Papi Ortiz’s contract to run, I wonder.

      • WBBsAs

        Any such compilation is selective, of course, but the fact he could accomplish this in less than a season…

        • If I wanted to learn how to play left field in the majors, Fenway would not be my first choice of location.

          • WBBsAs

            Well, it can be helpful for someone with limited range.

          • Yeah, but funny bounces are the order of the day.

          • WBBsAs

            Some of those funny bounces appear to Hanley’s fault.

      • WBBsAs

        Papi’s older. I’d say Hanley has more value as a DH there, but they’ve started working him out at 1B a bit. Less demanding than first or third, but errors there really cost you.

  • The Dodgers do a classy thing for Jake Arrieta after his no-hitter.

  • Remember Nathan Eovaldi? He’s currently 14-2 for the Yankees, albeit with a 4.17 ERA (93 ERA+). The Dodgers traded him and Scott McGough to the Marlins for Randy Choate and Hanley Ramirez in 2012.

    • Bob_Hendley

      U-less!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Rook!

  • After that robbery if I’m Greinke I’m tempted to throw one under Duffy’s chin.

    • RBI

      Crazy good play.

      • WinnipegDave

        I have that darn soft spot for third basemen so I gently applauded.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Don’t know the nature of the soft spot, but you often refer to the 3rd base situation of the Dodgers.

        • RBI

          It was definitely one of those tip your hat moments.

  • RBI

    Home from Albuquerque and at the game with my honey. Life is good.

    • Thot you were in Colorado!

      • RBI

        Just got home today, via a quick work stop in New Mexico.

  • RBI

    Play-off atmosphere here.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Joc starting to connect and not just pop ups.

    • WBBsAs

      In the long run he’ll be fine. Remember Mark McGwire’s 1991: .201 BA, 22 HRs, 93 BB.

    • RBI

      Yes. He hit that solidly.

    • RBI

      And again.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Bums doesn’t seem happy with the bloop and then the walk.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Real unhappy now!

  • RBI

    Yeah!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Just got two calls from the ump.

  • RBI

    Scotty not happy.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Ump gave the first two strikes to Bums.

  • package206

    Greinke gave up a lot of pitches to Belt.

    • RBI

      12! Or maybe even 13!

      • package206

        Wow that is a bunch. Hey RBI.

        • RBI

          Hi Package!

      • WBBsAs

        Belt is no Alex Cora.

      • package206

        Belt may not be Alex Cora but those 12 or 13 pitches can sure tire a pitcher earlier than we would like, huh?

  • WinnipegDave

    Game rolling along but still on edge from last night. Figure the Giants will respond at some point.

    • package206

      Quit yawning Dave.

      • WinnipegDave

        Man you are so right. Watching the game but feel asleep for a bit. When I woke up it took me a few moments before I realized the Dodgers had scored a run.

  • RBI

    Man! What does it take?

    • WinnipegDave

      Over the fence could work. Dodgers should do that again tonight.

      • WinnipegDave

        Joc took up the challenge.

  • package206

    Wonder why Joc is last in the order? Guess it doesn’t matter where he bats.

  • WinnipegDave

    See more strikes batting in front of Rollins rather than in front of the pitcher.

  • WinnipegDave

    If Grienke can get through 7 then hopefully the pen can keep control of this game.

  • RBI

    AJ is also hitting much better the last few games.

    • package206

      Yes he has been hitting much better. Maybe from getting more playing time?

      • RBI

        I think he mentioned/ thanked someone in a tweet that helped him figure out something with his swing.

      • WBBsAs

        He was never so bad as the early season implied, but he has his limits.

  • WinnipegDave

    Dodgers seem to be stealing bases at will recently. Makes a nice change from being thrown out a lot.

  • RBI

    Scary part of the lineup.

  • WBBsAs

    This game’s no sure thing, but I feel much less tension than last night.

    • RBI

      Not me…

      • WinnipegDave

        Agree. Tense as tense can be – for Sept. 1st.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Ump squeezing Zach.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Way to go Zach!

  • WinnipegDave

    Wheeee! That was some great pitching, and perhaps a break on the replay (I thought he might have been safe). Greinke is the best 7th inning pitcher in all of baseball!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Yes sir! Joc!

  • RBI

    Joc!!!!

  • WinnipegDave

    Joc! He was building to that the last few nights!!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Yeah, you could see he was starting to put it together again,

    • Bob_Hendley

      and this against a very tough lefty. (only second dinger by a lefty off of him all year)

  • WBBsAs

    Package is despondent.

    • package206

      I’m glad he has contributed.

  • RBI

    Okay Zack. DP!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Spot for Kenley? (lefty first?)

  • RBI

    Ugh. Darn Gnats. So pesky!

    • WBBsAs

      Don just couldn’t manage the pen two nights in a row.

      • RBI

        I’m sure Zack was in on that decision. He still didn’t want to stop…

  • WinnipegDave

    Why did he start the inning?! There are some new fresh arms in the pen.

    • RBI

      Looked like Zack really wanted to come back, and stay in.

      • WinnipegDave

        And I do love the competitive spirit so – OK!

    • Bob_Hendley

      After first hit probably should have been yanked. but if Donnie isn’t going to Kenley right away, not many choices in the pen.

  • RBI

    That was one scarrryyyyy foul.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Normally this has been Howell’s spot.

  • RBI

    The Gnats live for this kind of situation.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Doctor DP!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Way to go rook!

  • RBI

    One of the best DPs I’ve ever seen live. WOW!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Very difficult what Peraza did in flipping the ball with his glove.

      • RBI

        It was so fast.

      • RBI

        Also, Rollins whipped it to first.

  • WinnipegDave

    Oh baby! The Dodgers playing some good ball tonight.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Nice thought by CC.

  • WinnipegDave

    Time for Sept baseball late game maneuvering.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Getting sleepy?

      • WinnipegDave

        Let’s just say I’m hoping Jansen closes it out for more than just one reason.
        How are you doing?

  • WBBsAs

    Avilán has been a solid acquisition.

  • RBI

    99, 99, 99, 100.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Dre didn’t like that first called strike.

    • RBI

      It was a touch inside, but at 99mph hard to read.

  • RBI

    And….99.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Kenley versus Posey: classic matchup

    • RBI

      Still tense.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Yeah, Posey hits him like a drum. 😉

        • Bob_Hendley

          With an OPS of .993

          • WBBsAs

            Not tonight.

  • Bob_Hendley

    That will do it!

  • WinnipegDave

    We win!

  • WBBsAs

    A sweep would be sweet.

  • WinnipegDave

    So what will tomorrow’s score be?
    1-0 Dodgers?

    • WBBsAs

      You omitted a digit: 10-0 Dodgers.

      • WinnipegDave

        Ha! That would be awesome and surprising! 1 run wins have been the theme thus far.

  • WinnipegDave

    Very glad the game doesn’t have another 2 and a half hours to go!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Two wins today!

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Talk about your day/night doubleheaders!

        • WinnipegDave

          Ha! Good one.

  • WinnipegDave

    This is not likely to happen at all, but Dodgers could technically still take the season series 10-9.

    • WinnipegDave

      More realistically, even if Dodgers get to 8 wins against SF, it would go far to holding on to/clinching first place.

      • WBBsAs

        I expect the late-season series to be essentially meaningless.

        • WinnipegDave

          Splitting the 4 games in that series would certainly render it basically meaningless. Except of course, take games of the schedule.

          • WBBsAs

            By then, it should be all over anyway.

  • RBI

    Woo-HOO!!!!

  • WBBsAs

    The Gnats are gnow closer to third than they are to first.

  • WBBsAs
    • package206

      You weren’t so cocky before the last 8 games where the Dodgers have gone 7-1.

      • RBI

        Isn’t that always the way?

  • package206

    Can the Dodgers keep hitting Joc last in the lineup?

    • john galt

      They can. The question is …Will they?

      • package206

        Posey called for an outside low and away pitch and Bumgarter throws it low and inside. A good guess would be that Joc ran into a pitch and now he is Babe Ruth.

        • foul tip

          This video shows it arriving belt high or a bit above before it left the park. Seemed to catch a good bit of the inside part of the plate.

          https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CN3xFGjUsAEHHtZ.mp4

          This one (after the requisite ad) shows Posey appearing to set up inside . But low is not what he got.

          http://m.dodgers.mlb.com/lad/video/v440087983/sflad-pederson-belts-solo-shot-to-pad-dodgers-lead/?partnerId=as_lad_20150902_51820936&adbid=638931794096578560&adbpl=tw&adbpr=23043294

          • john galt

            Joc sees that pitch every night in his dreams. Hits ’em all out, too…

          • package206

            Is that before or after he has his strike out dream.

          • john galt

            Is some of You-Know-Who rubbing off on you here?

          • package206

            hahaha sorry!

          • WBBsAs

            Maybe the Busted Poseur isn’t very good at setting up. Or else BadGums isn’t that good at hitting his spots.

          • john galt

            No credit to Joc???

          • package206

            I saw Posey set up outside and the pitch was definitely inside half of the plate.

          • foul tip

            All I know is the video appears to show glove target inside. You don’t agree with the video?

          • package206

            foul tip, I see Posey’s glove setup on the outside half of the plate and I agree with the video.

          • foul tip

            I was going by seeing his left leg extend out a bit and his body weight shift that way but didn’t think his glove moved, except inside for the pitch that never arrived.

            Whatever the details, I’m sure we all liked the outcome. ;-])

          • Bob_Hendley

            What exactly is your point? And why did you go to such lengths in analyzing this particular plate appearance?

          • package206

            One other thing is that I heard that he (Posey) set up outside and got and inside pitch on MLB radio so I looked at the video to be sure.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Why is this a good guess? He got good wood on the ball in his previous plate appearances. It was only the second dinger hit off of Gums the whole year, The other was by Harper. Why are you denigrating Joc?

          • foul tip

            2nd dinger all year by a fellow lefty, right?

          • Because package would prefer Kemp be on the team and Joc in the minors or playing for someone else.

          • Bob_Hendley

            This is perverse. What does Joc have to do with Kemp? Matty hasn’t been a food CF for years.

          • foul tip

            “hasn’t been a food CF for years.”

            Um….are food CFs available at DS concessions? Kinda like Dodger Dogs? ;-])

            Typo, I know. But couldn’t resist.

    • RBI

      He was deliriously happy running the bases. And I was happy, too. My son went through a horrible slump during Little League, and I’ll never forget the game where something shifted, and he hit two home runs. I’ve had a huge soft spot for rookies struggling at the plate ever since. I always imagine what their Moms are going through!

      • package206

        I am sure you were a great supporter of your son during that time and I am happy that something shifted for him to hit those two HRs.

  • RBI

    I have to say, the experience at the stadium last night was fantastic. Full house, charged atmosphere, everyone there ’til the bitter end. I was at the tragic Bryan Stowe opening day, and the difference between then and now is palpable. Lots of Giants fans, lots of good-natured joshing, but no brawls, no drunken ejections, and I never felt a moment of concern or threat. It was getting so bad during the McCourt years, I almost stopped going. Now, I often attend games alone, and feel completely secure and happy doing so. Whatever issues I have with this FO, mostly having to do with the amount of team turnover, they have done a fantastic job improving the stadium experience for fans, and this fan is very grateful.

    • john galt

      You put it into words very well. That’s not surprising, is it? I think my issues with the FO, as well as some others here, is team turnover. We fans, us older ones especially, identify with the players on the team and when they are shuffled in and out, it discombobulates us. We adopt favorites and when they are replaced, it disturbs us. Perhaps the younger fans have a young attitude, that newer is always better. No matter, the FO is the FO until he isn’t the FO anymore and he’s going to do what he’s going to do, there is no Fan Advisory Council…

      • package206

        It isn’t all that if our favorites are moved out that we are just out of sorts. With me it is the wholesale changes made to a 94 win team. If the Dodgers had let Hanley go and replaced him with Rollins for a year to wait on Seager that is understandable to me but when they change players for no understandable reason it reeks of change for the sake of change and hurts no one except the fan.

        • john galt

          Maybe it’s me but I too see evidence of change for the sake of change. Most Ned signees are gone for one reason or another, much changeover in the infrastructure, like the whole International Scouting Dept. I guess that’s how big business works, glad I’m not involved in it. Don’t expect it’ll be too crowded in Heaven these days…

          • package206

            I think more will be leaving also.

        • WBBsAs

          Letting Hanley go and replacing him with Rollins for a year is exactly what they did.

          • package206

            Along with many more changes.

          • WBBsAs

            Overdue changes.

      • foul tip

        Every MLB roster has a good bit of turnover every year. Few players stay with the same team anything like as long as in the old days before free agency, humongous contract situations, and such.

        But even years back players often were traded, some albeit maybe near career end.

        I’d have loved to see Kemp, Piazza, Garvey, Pedro Martinez, Konerko, and others be lifelong Dodgers. Didn’t happen.

        Change for its own sake is dumb and not practiced by decision-makers in any field if they want to stick around long. But change is a constant. Resistance is futile.

        So might as well accept it as long as there are good reasons offered for it. Doesn’t mean you have to like it.

        • package206

          I agree with everything you say except that I don’t accept much of what the FO has done because I have not heard good reasons.

          • Bob_Hendley

            These guys give press conferences to explain their moves. You may not like them, but that doesn’t meant that they aren’t “good” reasons.

          • package206

            They are only good reasons if they work. In many cases they have not.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Yes, as an older fan I still can’t get over James Loney being replaced by Adrian Gonzalez. That Ned! ;).

    • WBBsAs

      For those who think this is something new, an LA Times story from the O’Malley era: “Al Campanis, who grew up at the Mahatma’s knee, never forgot what Rickey had to say on the subject: better trade a player a year too early than a year too late.”

      I was very disappointed when Campanis traded Ron Cey (and really got nothing in return), but that was a special case because I knew Ron (though we were acquaintances rather than friends).

      • package206

        Guess he was right about the Rollins and Kendricks trades.

        • WBBsAs

          Because both have been better than the players they replaced?

          • package206

            Worse.

          • WBBsAs

            But for the fact that they’re better.

          • All three, really. Grandal’s season was much better than Kemp’s at a much more demanding position until he dinged his shoulder.

          • package206

            Don’t know what stats you are looking at but Kemp leads Grandal in HRs, Avg, RBIs. If you are speaking of Gordon he leads in several catagories, including SB and batting avg and is only behind Cabraera and Harper for the MLB lead in BA. Also he also had injuries. Rollins has performed so bad it is not fair to discuss him. You know Link, you can be a Dodger fan without living in never never land.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Dee as an OPS+ of 111. Howie on the other hand has a 110. Seems like a wash. Oh, wait, Quique, who also came over in the deal is at 131. Haren has an ERA + of 100.

          • package206

            It is a lot when you consider Dee had several more years of control. The Dodgers could have kept Haren (since they are paying his contract anyway) and they wouldn’t have had to find two more starters both of which are worse than Haren. Or they could have kept Heine from Miami as a starter and several more years of control. Instead, he pitches very well for the Angels. I would say that is a lot for a rental. Just my opinion.

          • Bob_Hendley

            You are like Billy Pilgrim and have gotten unstuck in time. They had the rotation, but Ryu and McCarthy were subsequently injured. The fellow that the got for insurance was Anderson, who has out performed Haren. If they hadn’t traded Dee, they wouldn’t have gotten Heaney (so your argument is that they should have traded Dee and kept Heaney?).

          • package206

            My argument is that they didn’t get much for a rental. They could have not traded Dee which would have been one option or if they did, they could have just kept Heaney as a second option.. My point was never about the current starters. They could have also kept Haren if they used option one and played him. THey are paying him anyway.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Last year we got an OPS+ of 60 from the catcher position. This year we have a 136 so far, with a NL average of 103. I would say that we significantly upgraded that position. CF has gone from 102 to 128, with NL average at 101. Another significant upgrade

          • package206

            It wasn’t worth want the Dodgers gave up.

          • Bob_Hendley

            We gave up a RF (guess who) with an OPS+ of 109, which is the same as we are getting out of RF now.

        • Bob_Hendley

          You just basically make stuff up as you go along. As well as Cey, Campanis traded away the following players Willie Davis, Claude Osteen, Bill Buckner, Mike Marshal, Davey Lopes, Steve Garvey, Don Sutton, Dave Stewart, Lee Lacy, and Pedro Guerrero among others. Perhaps not all superstars, but good players with productive years left, known and loved by the fans.

          • package206

            If you would read the comment you would see that I said “Trade a superstar and pay 18 million bucks” Get your facts straight. If you remember Campanis and O’Malley you know how they sometimes squeezed a dollar.

          • Bob_Hendley

            How would you know who was a drug head back then?

          • package206

            Get real. You know the deal.

          • Bob_Hendley

            As far as I can tell, the deal is that you hate this FO, which is fine, but it leads you to ignore facts and make up stuff to fit your narrative.

          • package206

            I have not made up anything. You however, have made statements over and over about what I think even though I have not stated anything. I do not ignore facts but you think your opinion is a fact.

          • Bob_Hendley

            The fellow we traded has a WAR of 1.2 and is earning $21 million. That is a fact. Your opinion is that he is a “superstar”

          • package206

            I am not sure who you speak of because you didn’t give that fact. If you refer to Kemp, at the time of the trade I think many considered him a superstar.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Who is the other fellow who makes $21 million that we traded that makes you confused?

          • package206

            If you want me to know you will tell me.

          • Bob_Hendley

            So, you are confused. Who knew?

          • package206

            I guess you just made it up.

          • package206

            According to our last year’s roster and Cots contracts I did not find a right fielder who made 21 mil.

          • Bob_Hendley

            It’s such a mystery. Mmmh…try Matty Kemp’s BR page and let me know if you have any luck figuring this out.

          • package206

            What you are saying is not true.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Really glad to hear that, RBI.

      Sports can be a great bonding opportunity, offering an immediate topic of conversation. Since the people involved in the conversation really have nothing to say regarding the outcome of the game(s), there shouldn’t be ownership to the extent of violence.
      Ever since the Bryan Stowe tragedy (and after learning some good friends are — gasp! –SF fans . . . and still nice people), I have stopped saying I “hate” the Giants.

      Rivalries are nice, but let’s face it , especially in this age of free agency and rent-a-player — it all comes down to rooting for the laundry. The guy you booed yesterday, you will cheer today if they are wearing the right uniform.

      That said, Go, Blue!

      • john galt

        Bob, would you please explain that to WBBsAs…

      • RBI

        Did you see the link on the Dodgers site to Vinnie talking about the two little boys sitting next to each other – buddies, one a Dodger fan, one a Giant fan? Priceless.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Not yet — I’ll definitely look for it, tho — thanks, RBI!

  • Playoff odds, Giants and Nats. (Spoiler: Not good)

    • WBBsAs

      You mean “Gnats and Nats.”

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