Winter meetings

Update: The Chapman trade is on hold until MLB finishes a domestic violence investigation of an incident involving Chapman and his girlfriend in October. It’s not pretty, although the police filed no charges.

Police interviewed multiple people, including Chapman, Chapman’s girlfriend, her brother and a man identified as Chapman’s driver, according to the report. No arrests were made “due to conflicting stories and a lack of cooperation from all parties involved,” the report said.

On Day One of the meetings the Dodgers have already traded for Aroldis Chapman, sending two prospects to the Reds. According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, Corey Seager, Julio Urias and Jose De Leon are not in the deal.

As the article suggests, getting an elite closer in a trade means your current elite closer may have some bad feelings, understandably so. What they’re going to do, or try to do, with Kenley Jansen is still up in the air.

Earlier in the day the Dodgers signed 34-year-old right-handed starting pitcher Hisashi Iwakuma, a free agent who’d been with the Mariners for four years. Interestingly, he’s thrown fewer pitches in his career than Greinke, who’s three years younger.

They also signed 37-year-old infielder Chase Utley to a one-year deal for $7M, about half what he made last year, a season in which he never fully recovered from an ankle injury he suffered in January.

  • Audit

    https://twitter.com/m_sheldon/status/673957427788840960

    WTF? Some kind of three-way. Can’t wait to see how this works out…

  • Audit
  • SI has an analysis of the two closers’ strengths and weaknesses. Chapman walks a lot more hitters than Jansen does but gives up fewer home runs.

  • Audit

    No new news in several hours; What’s going on?

    • WinnipegDave

      My thought exactly. Except, of course, another hour later.

  • WinnipegDave

    Remember last December when Matt Kemp was traded to San Diego, except he wasn’t because of a physical, except of course he obviously was traded?
    Ahh, good times.

  • WBBsAs

    No front office complaints from Package today. Should somebody check on him?

    • Audit

      Maybe he went to Chattanooga to make sure no trades were made. Maybe that’s why we haven’t heard anything out of the Dodgers since noon…

      • WBBsAs

        Certainly he wouldn’t object to dumping so-called prospects like Seager and Urias for an “impact player” like Chapman.

      • foul tip

        Maybe he was going to launch strikes on Nashville from Chattanooga, then retreat to his base? ;-])

  • HLKLA

    Do you suppose there will be a thirteen player swap in the works?

    • Oh, man, don’t make it hard on the poor blogger like that!

  • The Dodgers got a column in the NYT today, discussing Roberts, pitching rotation and the bullpen.

  • Rob Neyer suggests three reasons Greinke signed with the Diamondbacks…1) wanted to be #1 on the staff, 2) wanted to be highest paid player in baseball, and 3) wanted to go to contender who could also satisfy conditions 1 and 2.

  • Dodgers claimed two guys named Daniel on Day One of the meetings. Danny Reynolds, RHP, pitched in AA for the Angels’ system last season. Daniel Fields is an outfielder who played for AAA Toledo in the Tigers’ system before being claimed by the Brewers.

  • Audit

    Chapman had a domestic violence incident recently, that’s the reason for the hold-up on the trade. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he–choked–her–according-to-police-report-023629095.html?nf=1

  • WinnipegDave

    So – no deal I guess for Chapman. Under investigation for DV.

  • WinnipegDave

    And the question of the night is: When did the Dodger FO know about this? And did they try and use the info to drive down the value of the trade? And does that make Farhan and co. look really bad morally?

    • WinnipegDave

      Uggh. It’s just all bad.

    • Audit

      I don’t think you can stop a trade and continue in a few weeks or months, I think you have to consider it dead, go on with other business, and address that trade again as new when it becomes possible. If you’re still interested….

      https://twitter.com/m_sheldon/status/674067290967646208

      • Agreed. The chips you were going to play are back in your hands for potential use elsewhere.

    • Bob_Hendley

      That’s three questions.

    • Along with medical histories I guess you now need to ask for criminal records for your potential players too.

      • WBBsAs

        Imagine if B*nds had had to meet those standards.

  • foul tip

    Different topic. From Eric Stephen’s SVS profile at TBLA:

    “Van Slyke is a valuable player, so much so that the Marlins asked for him as part of a package with Corey Seager and Julio Urias, and others, to land ace Jose Fernandez, per Jayson Stark of ESPN.”

  • Bumsrap

    Chapman for a couple of prospects might have been one of my “never going to happen” trade ideas.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Fernandez getting a lot of talk as well.

      • Bumsrap

        Chapman’s domestic issue puts a spotlight on Puig’s recent incident and delay any trade that Puig might have been considered. If the Dodgers wound up with Fernandez, I would guess that it would be a three way trade involving the Mets.

        Ignoring domestic issues, the key players in a Fernandez trade might have Puig going to the Mets, Wheeler going to Mami and Fernandez going to the Dodgers. The Dodgers would have to include another player(s) and the same with the Mets and Marlins to get the trade balanced.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Chapman getting traded was a given, I think the issue was, and is, where it fits among priorities. To me, that is still a head scratcher and fallout likely from the failure to get Greinke. Assuming that the other priorities remain, it does suggest that they may be willing to spend closer to $250 million on payroll for 2016 to remain competitive.

      • Bumsrap

        We may never know if this was going to be a standalone trade where FAZ builds up the bullpen or a precursor to bundling Jansen with a harder to trade player to get a starter or second baseman.

        I thought the signing of Utley might have meant that Peraza was going to be the second baseman backed up by Utley or platooning with Utley. But some have guessed that the two prospects for Chapman might have been Peraza and Holmes.

  • foul tip

    Different angle from Chad @ DoDi:

    “Heck, even putting all that aside (and you shouldn’t put it aside), trading for a guy with one year left of team control that might be suspended for a solid chunk of that single season is just plain stupid just from a baseball perspective. Even if Chapman does get cleared in a few weeks, it’s hard to imagine all of the hassle surrounding him is worth it at this point.”

    http://dodgersdigest.com/2015/12/07/dodgers-trade-for-aroldis-chapman-likely-dead-after-domestic-violence-incident/

  • foul tip

    This may be from a while back. But it highlights Tampa dealings with unsavory types when Friedman ran the show there. Could be argued that a small budget team had to cut corners anywhere possible to compete as well as the Rays did, but was this the right way to do it? Something to watch for with the Dodgers.

    Note to Package: people who have blind allegiance to the Dodger FO wouldn’t post this, maybe not even read it. Situations are more nuanced than you seem to allow for.

    https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/moneyball-or-sleazeball-andrew-friedman-and-the-future-of-the-dodgers

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  • Audit

    I’d go Puig plus for Fernandez in a heartbeat..

  • Audit

    The trouble with prospects is that sometimes that’s their high water mark…

  • Audit
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    • JonnyTAFKAJ

      AJ frantically scanning the rule book to see if it says anything about the catcher actually having to set up in the same zip code behind the dish……

      • Howard Fox

        Actually, he is checking to see if they make teflon coated catcher’s gear

    • foul tip

      The b&w photo kinda makes AJ look circa 1920 or so.

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    Ok…. Greinke gone ! – Bummer !…. But, not a surprise.
    Sorry to have to drop 2 “F-bombs” here… but, “F”riedman & “F”arhan… out to save some dough. Ownership likes that. And, it seems they scored him some of the money they saved.

    Friedman, in fact, was spotted pulling into the lot at Dodger Stadium the day after losing Grienke.
    He was driving a brand new, cherry red (D-back colors) Lamborghini with vanity plates that read,
    “BYE-ZACH” ….
    Make of that what you will….. 🙂

  • Audit
    • Bob_Hendley

      Cubs 4 years $56 million is latest report

  • WinnipegDave

    Gee Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
    Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try and trade for someone (so we can take over the world).

  • WinnipegDave

    AZ collecting all of the pitchers this off season: Greinke, Shelby Miller, Mike Leake…

    • HLKLA

      Do they have enough hitting to contend?

      • WinnipegDave

        They have a couple of strong hitters in Goldie and AJ. Don’t know about the rest of the line up.

        • Bob_Hendley

          They were second in the NL in R/G, only behind the Rox in 2015.

  • Audit

    FO fast getting himself into a position where he’ll have to give up everything to get Fernandez because all the smaller fish are gone already. He may have over-reached this time…

    • Bob_Hendley

      If you are going to overpay, which is the market, I’d rather it be for Fernandez than Samardzija, Miller or even Zach.

      • Audit

        No way I’d “overpay” the players Miami is demanding.
        Seager, NO WAY.
        Urias, maybe, so far he’s just a prospect.
        Joc, maybe, his future is suspect anyway…
        Any other prospects, not in top five.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Certainly agree as regards Seager.

  • WinnipegDave

    Time for Plan C: contact Cleveland and try to trade for Carlos Carrasco.
    Wow that really is Plan C!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Better than most teams’ plan A. Carlos is certainly a better pitcher than Samardzija or Miller, and compares favorably with Zach in regards to FIP and K/9.

  • WBBsAs

    Do Package and Chapman’s girlfriend agree that Chapman is an “impact player?”

  • Howard Fox

    My advice to the Dodgers at this point would be to hang tight with the prospects we have and see where they take us. I would not give up all of our best young players for Fernandez.

    In my eyes, the impact pitchers are off the boards. And Cueto is pretty iffy. Filter in our young pitchers during the year, maybe a 6 man rotation like the Mets did so as to not wear out their young arms, or 5 man with Kershaw, Iwakuma, and Anderson on rotation, and 3 or 4 other arms rotating. I don’t know, just spitballing here.

    Adding Greinke and Miller, all other things being equal, the D-backs may have not quite closed the gap on us, or we are both pretty even…I don’t know. The Giants are no better than they were. We ride it out and get the young players some experience, see what they can actually do at the major league level, then see what’s what come July 31.

    • Audit

      Agree to a large extent. But considering the state of our pitching, if we can’t upgrade that then upgrade our run production by signing Cespedes. Do whatever it takes to move either Ethier or Crawford to create space for Cespedes.

      • Howard Fox

        I am good with moving our outfield around. I like Cespedes. I would move Puig and keep Ethier, Crawford, Pederson, SVS and add Cespedes. We cannot get rid of Ethier or Crawford, but we can get something for Puig.

        • Audit

          Players with bad contracts get moved all the time, you just send money with them and don’t get much of a player back. But that roster space has a lot of value. I would trade Puig for a good pitcher but if I got Cespedes, I’d prefer to keep him around. First of all, I think Cespedes would have a good effect on him, settle him down. Secondly, if the competitive juices get flowing between those two, it would be a sight to behold…

          • Howard Fox

            You may be right, I just don’t see the FO eating a lot more salaries, but who knows at this point. They may decide that Crawford isn’t going to play, so what’s the difference paying him to sit on our bench or on someone else’s.

          • Audit

            I think Mark Walter would eat a load of dead money to sign Cespedes.

      • HLKLA

        I like the idea of hanging tight with our pitching and focusing on adding offense.

  • Audit

    Noting Package’s absence the last two days, do you suppose he went to the Winter Meetings to mess up any deals FO might try to make? If so, he’s doing a bang-up job so far…

    • I hope he’s not taken ill or something.

      • WBBsAs

        I hope he hasn’t gotten hold of Chapman’s pistol.

  • Audit

    Another idea, stomp on it if you wish… How about Crawford for Shields, sign Cespedes. Shields is owed about $20M more than Crawford, spread over next 3 years. We had worse pitching for us last year and he can be had easily. The Padres likely have no love for Crawford but the deal saves them $20M and gets the money off their books a year sooner. I would even sweeten the deal with some extra cash, What the Hey, we can afford it.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Believe that the veteran RH slot is already taken by Iwakuma (with McCarthy out there somewhere as well). And, it’s not as if Shields had a better FIP and WHIP than guys like Wood, Ballslinger and Frias.

      • Audit

        Didn’t realize there was only one RH slot, I was just thinking Shields was better than some of the options we tried last year…

        • Bob_Hendley

          A bit tongue in cheek, but having three veteran righties under contract for the next three years seems like over kill. Latos with us had a better FIP than Shields last year! I know you dislike CC, but while he draws a ridiculous salary, he does perform at an average level.

  • Audit
  • Just FYI for the sports fans who need a break between the mall trips: here’s the bowl schedule. If your alma mater didn’t make it into a bowl it must have had a really horrible year, as three bowl committees had to forage among those with losing records (cough, Nebraska, cough).

    • HLKLA

      Iowa Hawkeyes vs Stanford in the Rose Bowl will be a great game!

    • WBBsAs

      I’m so glad to be out of the country during handegg season (on the downside, it’s always soccer season here).

    • Audit

      Optimist! How many people actually commented on baseball during Winter Meetings, the most active days of the off-season?

  • Audit

    As far as I know, FO didn’t do anything bad, matter of fact, he didn’t do anything at all. I am disappointed in him. Shame Package isn’t here to enjoy it.

  • Audit

    Alert!! Be aware of scam calls from Area Code 809, Dominican Republic. If you call them back, you will be charged $2425 per minute.

    • foul tip

      Hope you didn’t find out the hard way. Surely victims can avoid actually having to pay such an obvious ripoff.

      • Audit

        I got a warning email. The charges are made in the DR and our American phone companies collect them by International Agreement.

  • WBBsAs

    Is it summer yet? The view from my room in Ushuaia, with 11 days until the solstice: http://tinyurl.com/z47x5ap

    • foul tip

      So much for summertime in the Southern Hemisphere, huh?

      • WBBsAs

        Right now the sky is brightening, and wet snow is falling off the trees.

    • So I Google the place name and discover it’s called the southernmost city in the world, on a bay in Tierra del Fuego. If you’re gonna go south for the winter, why not go all the way? Unless you want to go to McMurdo Station in Antarctica, of course.

      • WBBsAs

        I have been farther south – several times to Cape Horn – but only once to Antarctica.

        • My dad was the Public Works Officer for McMurdo in charge of building a now-removed nuclear reactor for power down there. He spent a lot of time on the ice, including one winter-over season.

        • package206

          Do you think going to Antarctica has effected your brain in some way as I have noticed some really strange thoughts.

          • WBBsAs

            I’ve had a first-hand look at the global warming problem there. You, paradoxically, appear to be suffering from brain freezes.

  • Howard Fox

    Reading between the lines, Friedman’s radio interview seems to indicate we should not expect much in the way of changes. Then again, who knows. He might trade half the team, just not his half.

    • Bob_Hendley

      His half?

      • Howard Fox

        Players he brought in……

        • Bob_Hendley

          Of the players he brought in and who were on the 25 at some point gone are Rollins, Kendrick, Heisy, Ruggs, Latos, and Johnson, as I can recall.

    • Audit

      Much of what baseball execs say, or don’t say, is posturing. Be concerned with what they do, not what they say…

      • Howard Fox

        I seem to recall him talking about big changes last year, and voila…

  • Audit

    Is this our infield as things stand now?
    Agon; Utley; Seager; Turner; Kiki; Peraza; SVS, with Kiki and SVS splitting time between the infield and outfield. We can hope for offensive improvement from some of the players but I foresee the same run-scoring difficulties this season as last.

    • Bob_Hendley

      With the addition of Seager we should be in very good shape if the holdovers are at least able to maintain last year’s production (fingers crossed)

  • Audit
    • Bob_Hendley

      So, if we are still going after a closer, it seems a little bit less likely that its part of a three-way. Suggest that they may want to go the KC route for now with three shutdown relievers (I include Hatcher here) to bolster the less than sterling starters.

  • Audit

    Bob, what would the Yankees want from us for Miller? I’m hoping it’s an outfielder so we can go after Cespedes…

    • Bob_Hendley

      2nd base was the major need and now they have Castro. Other than that just the usual what everyone wants: starters, pen and middle-of-the-lineup hitter.

      • Audit

        So maybe we don’t match up well with them?

        • Bob_Hendley

          They could try to upgrade their outfield moving Beltran to LF or there could be a three-party trade.

          • WBBsAs

            Beltrán’s only remaining defensive position is DH.

  • Audit

    FO is like a Great White Shark; Even if you don’t see him, you’re still afraid to get into the water.

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  • Audit

    So disappointed that Package isn’t here to enjoy the doldrums FO has put us in.

    • WBBsAs

      You may be the only one who misses him.

      • Audit

        I know you miss your favorite punching bag.

  • Whither the Dodgers after a fruitless winter meeting? Mark Saxon of ESPN asks and looks for answers.

    • WBBsAs

      And less than four months until Opening Day! Is that enough time to get anything done?

  • HLKLA

    I guess thinking we were going to totally overhaul our team every year was too much to expect. But what a fun ride it was!

    • foul tip

      Dunno about a total overhaul, but it’s a long time yet until the spring. Doubt FZ stands pat. Things they’ve said don’t sound like they will.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Didn’t seem like a total overhaul seemed warranted with at least seven of the eight field positions more or less nailed down. The obvious holes going in appeared to be a starter, bullpen help, 2nd base and perhaps another RH outfielder, was well as the Puig issue. To the extent that Puig might be involved in solving one of these holes, further moves might have been likely.

      • HLKLA

        You are correct, no need to retool the entire team, but I do think we some stronger offense, since we do not have Greinke, we will need to score more runs.

        • Bob_Hendley

          And Howie was an important hitter for us.

  • RBI

    Hi all! I spent last week on a silent meditation retreat, no phones, no Internet, nothing, and arrived back to find out that “nothing” had changed, oh, except for the loss of our Zack. I have a hunch he wanted to be a Number 1 somewhere, and if that came with a lot of years and dough, so much the better! But otherwise, much ado about nothing all week. Is that good? Bad? Lots of drama, (Chapman! Geeze Louise!) but little action, eh? So what’s next? More waiting, I guess. When’s opening day again?

  • WBBsAs

    The Busted Poseur is a water-waster in a drought-stricken state: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/New-water-hog-list-includes-Giants-catcher-6689879.php

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  • Audit

    Here’s a comment suggesting a trade from another site. I sure don’t agree with it but just for laughs…
    rollnoles105 hours ago
    I think the Yankees and Dodgers are going to make a Blockbuster trade. I see the Dodgers now knowing that they need a lockdown Closer so Andrew Miller is the best choice they could make. Also in return the Yankees send Ivan Nova, Brett Gardner and Rob Refsnyder to the Dodgers and the Yankees get Puig, Carlos Frias, Yasmani Grandal and Yimi Garcia. Works for both clubs because the Dodgers get 1 of the top closers in the game in Miller They get a very good underrated pitcher in Nova and Rob Refsnyder could end up being their starting 2nd baseman in a few months if anything he is 20 times better than Utley and the kid can hit. The Yankees get that 35 HR threat that has a rocket arm and just needs to be taught a few ways of the game. They also get Frias who is another young Starting pitcher who would at least be much better than CC and could end up being a 15 game winner in the Bronx. They get Grandal because they need a backup catcher bad and he could also spell Tex at 1st because he is going to miss at least 25 games its a given. And Yimi Garcia is a young hard throwing reliever who is only going to get better. Win win here boys!

    • WBBsAs

      Among other problems with your proposal, the Dodgers already have a lockdown closer, and if they traded Grandal they would not have a starting catcher.

      • Audit

        Read it again. It wasn’t my proposal and I certainly didn’t agree with it. I posted it only as an example of the really weird, complex deals some fans dream up. Getting Miller, TO PAIR WITH JANSEN, is the only part of it I can agree with.

    • Bob_Hendley

      I am guessing that this is a Yankee site.

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    • Bob_Hendley

      It’s funny how the Snakes mess up the best laid plans of mice and men. Last year we could have ended up with Montero for Ethier (instead of Grandal for Matty) until their owner squashed the deal because of the swimming pool incident. This year, if Cueto had taken their deal there is a better chance that the Dodgers retain Zach.

    • Audit

      I agree with the writer 5yr/$125M won’t get it done. It’s a crazy market, they may have to go 5yr/$150M to get him. FO better do something at that level or the fanbase will lynch him.

  • Audit

    MLBTR says Heyward has decided which team he’ll sign with but won’t disclose it yet. I suppose it could be Dodgers but I much prefer Cespedes…

    • Audit

      And the “winner” is… the Cubs. Allegedly less than $200M

  • Audit

    Cespedes, Cueto, and Leake…NOW!!!

    • Audit

      Cespedes 6@$25M
      Cueto 6@25M
      Leake 5@$90M
      It’s not my money so I’ll spend it freely.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Taking on Leake for five years seems like a bridge too far, when we already have back of the rotation fodder that could perform as well, plus prospects waiting in the wings. Money might be better used for another set up guy.

        • WBBsAs

          The Dodgers have plenty of guys as good or better than Leake. Let the Gnats keep him.

          • Audit

            I suspect someone else will take all of them. Package was probably right, FO had no intention of signing Zack and he has no intention of signing anybody at those salary levels. He wants to immerse us in Tampa Bay-like mediocrity sooner rather than later. Sit back and relax but you aren’t going to enjoy the trip…

          • Howard Fox

            Funny, I too said that a while ago. The FO would make offers and negotiate at just a little short on the money and the term of the contract. “Oh, we came so close…drat!”

            They would not go to age 37 on Greinke, but they will with Iwakuma. And Iwakuma has a history of injuries, whereas Greinke does not. Doesn’t make sense to me.

          • package206

            They don’t tell the truth, EVER.

          • Howard Fox

            Oh, it’s the truth. They made offers. They negotiated. Just a little short on both. Conveniently so.

          • package206

            If they did it was for face value only. There was very little intent.

          • Bob_Hendley

            All evidence to the contrary?

          • package206

            Don’t be stupid Bob.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Did you listen to Zach’s press conference? Do you have anything to offer besides your bias against the FO?

          • package206

            C’mon Bob, Zack is going to be politically correct.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Yes, he is so known for that.

          • package206

            No way is Zack going to be a member of the Los Angeles Dodgers as he knows the direction the team is headed and guess what? Clayton will leave as soon as possible. They are using up his prime years playing games.

          • Bob_Hendley

            So now you are saying that the negotiations by Zach were a charade as well?

          • package206

            Yes.

          • Bob_Hendley

            It’s funny how your story line doesn’t follow the available evidence, but does follow your bias against the FO. There is no reason for you to like the FO, but this is just silly.

          • package206

            It is not silly. The FO is playing games to make money. They have more than enough money to field a team that can win Instead they play this game with prospects and draft picks. If you can’t play the the prospects, trade them for someone who can help you. These are people who care nothing for the team. I can’t figure out why you can’t see it.

          • Bob_Hendley

            I understand their strategic direction, but you have gone off the deep end, my friend.

          • RBI

            I’ll say one thing, Package, your posts stimulate a lot of comments! It was mighty quiet when you disappeared for a few days… The jury is still out on the FO, for me, but I am very excited to have Dave Roberts, curious to see how things evolve going forward, and hopeful the young kids will bring some of their own baseball magic in 2016.

          • package206

            It appears that most folks are very happy with Dave. I hope he can make it happen and I hope the new coaches do a nice job also.

          • foul tip

            What’s the name of the little bird who told you there was no intent?

          • package206

            Also, it is really strange that they have an 8 and a half billion dollar tv contract and the Dbacks have a 1 and a half billion dollar contract but they couldn’t see giving Greinke the extra year. Yea right.

          • Howard Fox

            That is exactly what Plaschke wrote in his article.

          • package206

            You know, untl the fans start raising some He77 they will do nothing and I am not sure they will anyway. They need to see the door quick.

          • Howard Fox

            8 and a half billion says they are not going anywhere soon.

          • package206

            Man that is tough situation.

          • Bob_Hendley

            This He77 that you plan on raising, you are not going to do it here, right?

          • package206

            Good Question Bob, I know you don’t want to hear it but you may have to listen to some of it. Sorry.

          • WBBsAs

            Plaschke is a reactionary hack.

          • WBBsAs

            You don’t admit the truth even when it slaps you in the face, EVER.

          • package206

            It is sad that you will never admit when things with the Dodgers are not right.

          • WBBsAs

            It is sad that you have no critical thinking skills.

          • package206

            WBB, I am going to say this once. You do not have any business telling me what team I wish to follow. I don’t tell you who to follow. I don’t care what you think of my thinking skills. You have no credibility with me either but I don’t constantly run you down, you could be a bit more mannerly. You would’t say any of that to my face.

          • WBBsAs

            My only concern is your happiness.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Well, there is a $20 million difference annually in their price tags.

          • package206

            WHO CARES, you aren’t paying it!!!

          • Howard Fox

            $20 million here, $20 million there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.

          • Bob_Hendley

            The difference in the contracts is $159 million.

          • Howard Fox

            if the issue was money, they should let a young kid pitch at the major league minimum instead of signing Iwakuma….if money is not an issue, then why wasn’t Greinke signed….

          • Bob_Hendley

            Seems a bit extreme.

          • package206

            Hey Audit, same MO, huh? I knew you would get it but I didn’t know when. All we can hope for is the prospects to develop quickly, especially the pitchers. We have AGon, Utley, Seager Turner and Grandal which can be pretty competitive on the infield and Ethier, Puig, Kiki and Joc. I don’t expect much from Joc but the rest can play under the right atmosphere. I will cheer if they get anybody who is anybody. That is the hand we are dealt. Boy were we dumb to listen to their stuff.

          • RBI

            Hi Package! How’s it going? I’m back from a week long retreat. No electronics allowed. I’m ready for opening day.

          • package206

            You are the best fan the Dodgers have. Welcome back my friend.

          • WBBsAs

            No, you’re dumb to listen to yourself.

          • package206

            Take a long trip off the coast of Good Hope and enjoy yourself.

          • WBBsAs

            Your non sequiturs are showing again…

          • Bob_Hendley

            “We”? I thought that your claim to fame was that you never listened to their “stuff”.

          • package206

            I don’t listen to their stuff but that is all we have. Work with what we have. I have no choice.

          • Bob_Hendley
          • package206

            They never wanted Zack, they could have offered a 6th year but they decided not to do it. Then turned around and signed Iwakacuma to an age 37 contract. No logic.

          • Bob_Hendley

            There is no logic to what you say, because they didn’t get him doesn’t mean that they didn’t want him.

          • package206

            If they had wanted him they would have signed him. Just ask Larry King.

          • Bob_Hendley

            But you have built up this whole story line that that never wanted him and that the negotiations were a charade.

          • package206

            It was a charade. Larry King said that the Dodgers would not go to a 6th year. I am saying they never wanted Zack as the wanted to shed more salaries. This is called rebuilding to put FAZ name on the team.

          • WBBsAs

            So, Larry King is your dream GM?

          • foul tip

            Negotiations 101: it takes at least 2 sides to reach an agreement.

          • package206

            Anyone would have left for that much difference.

          • package206

            They wanted him alright but at their price even though others would pay much more.

          • WBBsAs

            There is no logic to your statement(s), ever. Iwakuma is a different sort of pitcher, over a much shorter term.

          • foul tip

            Fewer years and much less money for Iwakuma. Easy to carp about consistency, but it’s apples v oranges.

          • package206

            Both would have been pitching for the Dodgers at age 37.

          • foul tip

            “Easy to carp about consistency”

          • RBI

            Package, it sounds like they were minutes from signing Zack when the D-backs literally snapped him up by adding an extra year no one else (Gnats included) was willing to risk. And the FO had already suggested six years was too long. How is that lying, exactly? I’m crushed we lost Zack, but it’s not as if they shoved him out the door!

          • package206

            They didn’t push him, they let him walk for 1 more year and around 50 million dollars. They decided not too pay even though they can afford more than anyone. They (FO) still think they are in Tampa and Oakland. Zack is only making what the market will bear.

        • foul tip

          So, over 5 years you think he might spring a Leake?

  • package206

    Well, just another day with some of you folks just meandering around with the less than honest FO. They never tell what their plan is but lead the press to say that they are interested in this player or that player. That is to let their fan base think they are trying to make their/our team better but the truth is they are all about money and that is what they continue to make. They could make the team better but because they are stubborn they will not. IT COSTS MONEY!! Welcome to the new world of Dodgerland.

    • WBBsAs

      Only 114 days until the Pads host the Dodgers at The Litter Box! The franchise with baseball’s biggest payroll is cheap! Time to panic!

  • HLKLA

    I am guessing, barring any trades, that Eithier and Crawford share left field, with Pederson in center and Puig in right. Then SVS comes into play against a lefty, either in center or left. Is that how everyone else sees it?

    • Bob_Hendley

      As it stands now, but Quique, or another RH, could be in the mix depending on how they are going to use him.

    • Audit

      SVS more likely first base than centerfield.

      • WBBsAs

        Presuming he’s not traded, SVS will get more time at 1B to give an aging AGon a bit more rest.

  • Audit

    Package… Back with a vengeance!!!!!

    • WBBsAs

      With a misplaced grudge, actually…

  • Audit

    I’m getting reconciled with Zack’s loss. The credit all goes to the Snakes and you really can’t be surprised at FO’s reaction, nor can you blame Zack in any way. FO thought he had a deal at 5 years at $31M per year, which is a lot of money and apparently more than anyone else would give him. Except Dave Stewart and the Snakes. Stewart comes running in out of the boonies and offers him $34M, $3M @year more than anyone else and gives him an extra year, to boot. Zack can’t say anything but “Yes” and FO is probably so speechless he can’t say anything. I’m not surprised he couldn’t raise that bet and down the road I suspect all of us will be glad he didn’t. Yes, it puts us in a hard spot now but given how things usually are, I will be greatly surprised if Zack is fortunate enough to pitch well and without injury for 6 more years. I don’t think we have much choice now but to pay Johnny Cueto even more money than he is worth, try to sign or trade for another pitcher, and sign or trade for an impact hitter (as Package calls them) to give our depleted pitching staff more run support. A good byproduct of signing a good hitter is that it might influence Kershaw’s decision when his opt-out opportunity comes up all too soon.

    • HLKLA

      I totally agree with not giving Zack six years. Those kind of deals never look good around year five and six.

    • Audit

      Just thinking, How much money do you think some halfwit might offer Clayton when he opts out, $40M per for 10 years?

    • Bob_Hendley

      I guess we start with 5 years $148 million for Cueto, which is supposedly the offer from the Snakes that he rejected and which got them on the Zach’s tail. Seems like an overly generous offer to begin with.

      • The D-Backs offer to Cueto was six years and $120M.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Hmmm….we should offer $120 million for five years.

  • foul tip

    Mike P of DoDi asks whether Greinke’s agent even took the out-of-the-blue AZ offer back to LA/ SF. Answer from Rosenthal: ” I don’t know, Mike. It didn’t sound like it.”

    If true, Dodgers never had the chance to counter.

    Another question we don’t know the answer to and may never. Was the NL West team Greinke was “minutes from signing with” the Giants? If so, poison pick would be what happened.

    http://dodgersdigest.com/2015/12/14/on-how-zack-greinke-got-away/

    • Audit

      I seem to remember reading somewhere that Zack did call FO to talk about the Phoenix offer, giving him a chance to meet or exceed it, I suppose, but I don’t remember where that little bit of data came from, so we’ll all believe what we want to believe. My assessment of Zack’s character is that he would have given the Dodgers the opportunity to meet or beat that offer.

      • foul tip

        Don’t players leave all negotiations up to their agents? Why else hire one?
        You sometimes hear of players dealing directly, but that’s rare. I’d think if an agent is involved, he’d insist it be his show from start to finish to keep from muddying the waters. And then bring the player offers to discuss.

        Not saying I believe anything but would like to know the answer to did Dodgers have a chance to counter? Could put things in a different light.

        But we’re not likely to get that answered.

        • Audit

          Heck no. Even if I found that web page again, it’s only one man’s story of what happened, not backed up by any other stories, and he wasn’t even there.

      • package206

        I seem to remember a Kasten interview where he said the Dodgers did not want to go a 6th year. That makes me think they were out before the stakes got higher.

  • foul tip
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  • Audit
  • Audit

    In protecting the money, FO might be putting himself in a situation where he has to trade a bunch of people he don’t want to for Fernandez. Wonder if he ever heard the phrase,” It’s only money…”?

    https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/676471660829126656

  • Audit
  • Audit

    I have to agree with Package, whether FO is really trying to sign some players with high performance records or not, he is remiss in fulfilling his (unwritten) duty to fans by giving them hope. So far, we’ve heard Jack Caca out of Dodger Stadium. I’ll give you odds Mark Walter is not pleased with FO’s performance so far….

    • package206

      Well I know some of the folks that are always so loyal will know what the team will do to finish higher than 3rd.

      • Audit

        I was just thinking, we have a real shot at third next year.

        • package206

          I know there is nothing any of us can do but I just don’t think the FO has been honest with the fans. Their policy is to tell nothing so we don’t ever know what really happened. This is another sad day to be a Dodger fan.

          • foul tip

            If things are really all that bad, why even bother?

          • package206

            It would take more than Beevis and Butthead in the FO to cause me not to be a Dodger Fan.

          • Bob_Hendley

            And yet you seem to know what really happened. How does that work? We are all in the dark except you and you are here to grace us with the truth based on your bias against the FO.

          • package206

            So far we have seen nothing to give us evidence of improving the team. This FO gets credit for one winning season, not three. I am not the only one who sees what is happening. Some more of your blind loyalty.

          • Bob_Hendley

            You seem to be so blinded by your hatred for the FO that you assume that others frame their views of the team in the same manner and since they don’t share your perspective they are somehow “loyal” to the FO. It’s sad. Such that you actually end up rooting against “their” players succeeding and essentially against the team because success somehow diminishes your cherished beliefs. God forbid that Seager has a slump or Urias has a poor outing before we get to hear from you rant on how they should have been traded for Hamels. The FO is like any other, it makes good decisions and it makes bad ones. It has chosen a strategy with a view toward sustaining competitiveness as a means for increasing the odds of attaining the ultimate crown that we all desire. Give it a chance. it’s not like the FO’s in the previous 27 years had the answer.

  • WinnipegDave

    Well at least this off season is not run of the mill predictable. You know with the Dodgers using their financial might to add a bunch of over priced free agents to their baseball team.
    It will be fun to see where all this financial patience and prudence will lead them.
    Let the next trade attempts begin…?

    • package206

      Shades of last year huh Dave??

      • WBBsAs

        Exactly, when front office failures only brought a third straight division championship.

        • package206

          It wasn’t because of anything this FO did.

          • WBBsAs

            Except that it was.

          • package206

            Yea, they brought the likes of McCarthy, Anderson, Grandal, Rollins and managed to let Joc play almost every day and they stunk it up most days.. With that cast of characters nobody could win. The only reason they were 2 games worse than the year before was because of existing players like Grenike, Kershaw, AGon, Turner, Ethier and Jansen which Ned brought in. They also did nothing to improve the bullpen.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Addition by subtraction. No Hanley and Matty. Boy that would have been something.

          • “they stunk it up most days.” Right. Won their third division title in a row by eight games, won 92 games, lost 70.

            package, your viewpoint is skewed.

          • WBBsAs

            Package remains fact-resistant.

          • package206

            I think it is the other way around. This FO gets credit for one winning season, not three. As I said the semi success of last year’s club is due to existing players, not the ones they brought in. You can read individual performance stats just like me. Your viewpoint is skewed and your blind loyalty is evident.

    • RBI

      I’m curious, too. Also praying Ryu is lights out next year, and Urias is ready.

      • package206

        R B I, the voice of reason. How in the world are you??

        • RBI

          I am great, thanks! Getting ready for Santa to come down the chimney, which I love, and doing lots of boring year end stuff with bookkeeping, which I don’t love. I’m trying to figure out if I want to do the mini plan again this year – I do so enjoy going to the stadium, but I can never make it to all 21 games, and often wind up going solo when I can go. On the other hand, my kids love to go as well. I shall let it percolate.

  • WBBsAs

    In theory, the Gnats gnow have a No. 1 starter, but I’ve always been skeptical of Cueto. The signings of Cueto and Samardzija reflect the fact that their farm system is barren, and that Peevy (sic) and Gnatt Cain are washed up.

    • package206

      Let’s see if you think another W.S. Championship is theory.

      • WBBsAs

        Let’s see if you ever learn to think…

  • HLKLA

    Pete Rose reinstatement denied.

  • Bob_Hendley

    While we remain competitive, and the dealing is not over, the giants and Snakes have apparently improved. It will be a dogfight. Bring it on!

    • WBBsAs

      The Dbags should be a significantly closer second, the Gnats perhaps a slightly closer third.

  • package won’t accuse Jon of being a shill for his bosses, but he probably won’t appreciate the content of Jon’s latest blog post either. It’s mostly a “Keep Calm and Remember the playoffs don’t begin for 9 1/2 months” kind of essay.

    • package206

      I wouldn’t have expected Jon’s viewpoint to be any other way. He is not going to bite the hand that feeds him.

    • Audit

      Read the Comments after that palliative, they show a lot of fans that feel just like we do.

  • Audit

    Will things get so bad FO will sign Linceum? I can only imagine some of your reactions to that…

    • Bob_Hendley

      So bad? (Timmy’s career is certainly a tale of woe).

      • WBBsAs

        Lincescum had some brief shining moments, but was always overrated.

  • Audit
  • Audit

    “But, the Dodgers absolutely need to jettison Crawford. His production isn’t worth the roster spot he’s taking up on the 40-man roster.” Sayeth Dodger Digest. http://dodgersdigest.com/2015/12/15/dodgers-andre-ethier-10-5-rights-trading-carl-crawford/ They go on to say the Dodgers should eat all but about $10M of the $41M owed him in order to get the roster space which is more valuable than he is.