Game 20, 2015

Giants at Dodgers, 7:10PM PT, TV: SPNLA, MLBN

Like yesterday’s, this game is a rematch of the starters in last week’s series. Clayton Kershaw and Madison Bumgarner squared off last Wednesday. Neither one got the decision in a game ultimately won by the Giants. Each gave up two runs; Kershaw gave up three hits, Bumgarner gave up six. Kershaw walked one and struck out nine, Bumgarner walked two and struck out six. Each pitcher has faced the other team a lot in his respective career: Kershaw is 14-5 against the Giants with a 1.48 ERA and four shutouts. Bumgarner is 11-5 against the Dodgers with a 2.56 ERA.

Lineup when available.

The reason Alex is in left field is that Carl Crawford was placed on the 15-day DL and IF/OF Kiké Hernandez was brought up from Oklahoma City. There’s been no Twitter explanation for Joc’s absence from the starting lineup.

  • WBBsAs

    I’d like see Turner hit another two dingers off BadGums, and for Guerrero to join in the fun.

  • john galt

    My screen showing only one comment. Think we’re having a problem…

  • scooplew

    Anyone see the starting lineup yet?

  • WBBsAs

    In Boston, Hanley just butchered a ground ball – in LF.

    • package206

      I would truly love to respond but can’t

      • foul tip

        Sure you can. Just not in quite the usual way. ;-])

        • package206

          I appreciate your comment.

    • Bob_Hendley

      At least its not a long way to the wall.

      • foul tip

        Depending on how it’s played, it could be a long way to the ball, tho.. .;-])

    • Bob_Hendley

      Alex will get to show his defensive wares in LF.

      • WBBsAs

        He actually looked pretty good at third the other day.

    • package206

      Wonder if Hanley is hitting?

      • Bob_Hendley

        Ha! 8 dingers and 163 OPS+

        • package206

          Thank You, Bob.

        • WBBsAs

          Nobody doubt’s Hanley offensive ability but, in a year or so, he’ll be a full-time DH, which never would have worked in the NL. He’s also playing in an extreme hitters’ park for right-handed batters.

          • package206

            I am sure you are correct.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Only 2 (now 3) at home. Other stadiums in division favor homeruns, but believe that Yankee Stadium and Camden Yards, at least, are relatively better for lefties.

          • package206

            I knew there had to be a reason why Hanley has hit so well. Probably couldn’t have done it on his own bat.

          • WBBsAs

            Hanley’s still an elite hitter but the Dodgers, whatever their budget, can’t afford to pay a DH the way the Sawx can.

        • package206

          After you told me of Hanley’s 8 dingers, I checked and he had hit another tonight. Probably just luck.

  • John_from_Aus

    Hernandez gets the start in centre

    • WBBsAs

      You misspelled “center.”

      • John_from_Aus

        Je ne comprends pas

        No entiendo

        • WBBsAs

          Was verstehst du denn?

          • John_from_Aus

            I look it up and get back to you later 🙂

          • package206

            Sure wish writing in English was a rule so we all could participate.

          • John_from_Aus

            basically I was playing on the fact that you guys and us Aussies spell centre differently by typing I don’t understand in both French and Spanish

          • foul tip

            Did you have to labour long to do that?

          • John_from_Aus

            no, I just typed in ‘how do you say I don’t understand in ….

          • foul tip

            As opposed to “labor,” which spelling I think the US alone of English-speaking countries uses. ;-])

          • John_from_Aus

            there is also other words such as colour, mum (slightly different circumstance)

          • John_from_Aus

            Now I get what you meant!!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Donnie rolling the dice defensively with LF-CF. Not questioning Kike, but one might want their best defensive guy out there in CF given the novelty for Alex.

      • foul tip

        Of these OFers, who is that?

        I’d expect Joc in when MadBum goes out.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Meaning Joc.

        • package206

          Yes, I think the team likes to have Joc in as much as possible.

  • foul tip

    Giants at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

    Kershaw CCXIV: Kershawl Blart: Mall Cop 2…Jon W continues to be creative w/ CK’s starts…

    CC to DL; Hernandez up….
    ====================
    Jimmy Rollins, SS
    Kiké Hernandez, CF
    Justin Turner, 1B
    Howie Kendrick, 2B
    Scott Van Slyke, RF
    Alex Guerrero, LF
    Juan Uribe, 3B
    A.J. Ellis, C
    Clayton Kershaw, P

    • package206

      This is a very good lineup to give Kershaw plenty of run support. I might have had Guerrero bat 2nd and Hernandez bat 6th but who am I to say. Let the experts figure all that out.

  • Update above

  • Don’t be alarmed, but the Dodgers and the Astros have exactly the same W-L record.

    • Bob_Hendley

      That’s for the Angels to worry about.

      • WBBsAs

        You misspelled “Angles.”

        • Bob_Hendley

          shades of Sam Yorty

          • WBBsAs

            I’ve never actually lived in LA, but I know enough to say I’d like to forget that name.

          • Bob_Hendley

            He would never pronounce the first “e” in “Angeles”

          • package206

            Wasn’t he mayor of L.A.??

          • Bob_Hendley

            1961-73, I believe.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Wow!
      That would be scary except it’s a good record.
      Isn’t that just about as David vs. Goliath as there is, $-wise?

  • If you’re saying “Who da guy?” about Hernandez, here’s some info. He had six HRs in spring training, among other things.

    • WBBsAs

      He has talent, and is highly versatile. Not sure I’d hit him second v. BadGums, though.

    • package206

      Not saying “Who da guy” but that is some good information.

  • foul tip

    How typical are these Gnat fans? “‘BAET LA,” their sign says.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24530074/photo-giants-fans-want-to-baet-la

    • WBBsAs

      There are plenty of them.

  • foul tip

    Kike is RH, right ? LH Joc maybe out v LH Madbum like last time…

  • foul tip
    • Previous post. I don’t know if there was any discussion, though.

    • package206

      That is good information. Thank you for sharing.

  • WBBsAs

    So, another blackout, three innings of Vin, and six innings of Steiner-imposed cringing.

  • Kershaw’s season doesn’t yet resemble the ones we saw the last couple of years.

    • WBBsAs

      He’s had some bad luck, but he should be blowing these guys away.

    • package206

      I hope he does better quick.

  • scooplew

    Regarding the earlier post by Bob Hendley, I never imagined that I would see L.A. Mayor Sam Yorty’s name on this site. Congratulations for working him in. Didn’t he suggest a giant fan in the Hollywood Hills to blow away the smog? And he used to conduct analyses of our foreign policy with a pointer and a map of Vietnam. I will never forget a license plate I saw when he was mayor: YUK 040. It had slipped through.

    • WBBsAs

      Perhaps he suggested a Gnatfan to blow away the smog.

  • WBBsAs

    And now to suffer through Steiner.

  • Pfui!

  • WBBsAs

    Gnatfans are calling Casey by the name “McDP.”

  • WBBsAs

    Steinered again!

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    Angel Pagan makes a very, very rare error……
    4th inning …
    Best pitcher in the game on the hill…..
    ….
    Turner should have been squeezing ….

    Also, just for running to 3B on that ball hit in front of him… stupid…stupid play.

    The Dodgers bottom of the 4th, in my mind, makes them unworthy of winning this game.
    They simply don’t deserve it. IMHO.

    • WBBsAs

      Pagán is not an especially good CFer. Last night, when he jumped for Turner’s home run, he was at least three feet off to the side.

      Players make mistakes. So far this season, the Gnats have made lots more mistakes than the Dodgers.

      You don’t squeeze with nobody out and the middle of the order up.

  • John_from_Aus

    Time for Clayton to help himself

  • WinnipegDave

    Needed Rollins to finally wake up with the bat. Seems like he has fallen off a cliff this year offensively (except Opening Day).

  • WinnipegDave

    How badly does Kershaw want to go past 6 innings. It must be frustrating to him that he hadn’t yet.

    • WinnipegDave

      Great inning for him. Now if only the Dodgers can find a way to score a run or three.

  • John_from_Aus

    time to make a move

  • John_from_Aus

    nice start

    • WinnipegDave

      But no finish.

  • WinnipegDave

    Pitch count almost the same which is something considering Kershaw was at 40 and MadBum at 19 at one point.

    • WBBsAs

      You misspelled “BadGums.”

      • WinnipegDave

        Really WBBaAs? Isn’t MadBum actually a more crazy nickname than BadGums already?

        • WBBsAs

          For somebody from rural North Carolina, BadGums couldn’t be more appropriate.

          • WinnipegDave

            Point taken.

  • RBI

    Can’t believe AJ ran out that DP.

  • RBI

    So they’re putting in Pederson for AJ, and Grandal to bat. No more Kershaw. Huh.

  • RBI

    All that for nothing.

  • RBI

    I’m home finally. Can you tell?

  • RBI

    Okay Baez, shut em down.

    • WinnipegDave

      And so he did.

  • RBI

    Really ready to say bye bye to Madbums, or Badgums or whatever you want to call him.

    • WBBsAs

      I capitalize BadGums out of respect.

      • RBI

        Ha!

  • RBI

    Arghhhhhh.

  • WinnipegDave

    According to GameDay, Bumgarner has had at least 4 strikes called – including that last one to Turner – that have been way off the strike zone.

  • WBBsAs

    As a screenwriter, RBI, have you ever read http://www.twainweb.net/reviews/BrockBaseball.html? Baseball, bicycles, Mark Twain and time travel in the same book sounds like a winner to me.

    • I started the first one once but got sidetracked and had to return it to the library before finishing.

      • WBBsAs

        You should check it out again.

    • RBI

      Sounds interesting. Never heard of nor read them. But I will check them out.

  • Come ON, Sergio!

    • WinnipegDave

      Last chance for the Dodgers.

  • RBI

    Okay Van Slyke.

  • RBI

    Down to AGon.

  • RBI

    No pressure, Adrian.

  • RBI

    Strike one was ball one.

  • Gamefay editorialized that both outs were soft ground balls.

    • WBBsAs

      But Steiner said they went to the track.

  • Rats. One game apiece.

    • RBI

      How funny that we both said rats! One of us more than the other…

      • I’m typing on a tablet with one finger. 😉

  • RBI

    Rats rats rats rats rats.

  • WinnipegDave

    Kershaw still looking for win number 100.

    • RBI

      Maybe that’s the problem!

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Lack of offense was the problem tonight.
        But he really hasn’t been the Kershaw we know since those two 7th innings vs. the Cards.

        • RBI

          Plus he’s had a baby. Sleep deprivation?

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            I defer to you on that. 🙂

            But I’m wondering if something happened to his confidence after he blew the huge lead in game one of the LDS . . . he came back and was coasting until the same 7th inning and lost that lead . . . and he started this season with a no-decision but he used that same refrain: ‘I couldn’t hold the lead.’

            Of course, it would be nice if his offense could GIVE him a lead . . . and he’s had such phenomenal success that we take him for granted.

          • RBI

            Yes, I see what you mean.

          • Bob_Hendley

            I am guessing that Jon will probably do a post on his performance to date, as a lot of us are wondering what’s going on. I did a quick comparison of his first five games in 2014 and 2015 and they are surprising similar. Both include getting plastered by the Snakes, for example. His ERA in 2015 is a bit higher (3.73 versus 3.49) as is OPS against (.729 versus .702). In both years his babip is quite high (.384 versus .389). BBs are about the same (7 versus 6), more Ks (43 versus 37), HRs are higher (4 versus 1).

        • WBBsAs

          Kershaw has been very good but not dominant. I expect him to return to form sooner rather than later, but the Arias thing really irritates me.

  • WinnipegDave

    Night all. Dodgers will get ’em tomorrow.

  • RBI

    Night all.

    • John_from_Aus

      night

  • John_from_Aus

    Cannot believe the Astros, 13-3 up against the padres

  • Sleep tight, everyone.

  • john galt

    It’s time for the FO to start talking Cole Hamels.
    1. One starter out for a year or more.
    2. Another one weak and untrusted.
    3. Still no return date for Ryu.
    4. Kershaw still looks a lot like Kershaw but other teams not rolling over like they used to. And the continuing rash of pitcher injuries has to give us nightmares about that possibility…
    5. Greinke almost certain to opt out in October, a raise from the Dodgers or some other club is all but guaranteed.
    6. Signing of Hamels or some other big name pitcher can only help negotiations with Greinke.
    7. There is a surplus of talent on the big club available for trade, not to mention those in Oklahoma not named Seager and Urias, and don’t forget about all that money.
    8. And don’t underestimate Commitment. Failing to acquire the available help to actually get us into the playoffs would be a huge black eye and denigrate their previous actions.

    • WBBsAs

      The Phils have made it clear that they would require two of three of Pederson, Urias and Seager, so that’s a non-starter. Major trades at this time of the season are extremely rare, in any event.

      The Dodgers are still the overwhelming division favorite, especially after Ryu returns. Even if Greinke should think about opting out, there’s a wealth of free agent pitchers this next off-season, including David Price and Johnny Cueto, which should depress that market somewhat.

      • john galt

        Talk is cheap. And that is not a slam at you, it just means it don’t hurt to try to make a less damaging trade than that. Maybe they’ll get lucky, catch him at a weak moment… It don’t hurt to try.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Clayton has a babip of .384 so far, as compared to last season .281, so a lot more than usual are dropping for hits. As well, however, in first 5 games he has given up 4 dingers, as compared to 1 for first five games in 2014. So yes, and no.

      • john galt

        Even if it is only bad luck, history indicates there will be an evening-out process, nobody is great forever.

        • WBBsAs

          Koufax was always great, and I expect Kershaw to outlast him.

          • john galt

            I fervently hope you are right.

          • Point of order, sir! Koufax’s first five years were decidedly mediocre, and you can look it up (as Casey Stengel said, talking of other people his age).

            I too expect Clayton to pitch past his 30th birthday, unlike Sandy.

          • WBBsAs

            I agree, but I was pressed for time when I wrote that. Had Koufax had a normal minor league experience – the “bonus-baby” rule prevented that – he would have been great throughout. Kershaw certainly should pitch longer (as Sandy well might have under current medical procedures).

          • Oh, yeah, the saddest of all possible words is “what might have been” when you think of sports medicine as it’s improved since 1966 when Koufax retired.

    • Re #7: You may think they’re surplus, but if the team who has the part you want doesn’t want them, then they’re not tradeable, at least not for the high value you hope to get in return. This is what happened with Ethier and Crawford over the winter and part of the reason they traded Kemp; no one wanted Andre or Carl at the price.

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    Notes: (from “The Glass Half-Empty” crowd….. )
    ….
    1. Donny’s ” RH Shuffle ” / anemic lineup vs. Bumgarner – Results = 0 wins, 2 losses.
    2. “Heart-less” of the order – 1 for 15 last night.
    3. Justin Turner should have been squeezing in the 4th. If successful, that puts runner on 3rd
    with Kendrick up and 1 out. (his ground ball to SS would have driven in the tying run)
    * In this ‘alternate universe’ we call Dodger Fandom, Turner seems to have acquired a kind
    of ‘folk hero’ status… Hey, I like the guy. But, he’s a back-up-caliber player. When he’s
    your #3 hitter vs. Bumgarner? —- You’re in trouble. IMHO.
    4. Rollins – continues to struggle offensively – vs. – Giants
    5. Despite the fact that the ‘pen’ didn’t give up any runs, to me… they struggled… looked poor.
    Way too many base runners. Certainly didn’t look to be ‘in command’ of anything….
    6. Brandon McCarthy… You’ve got to be kidding me….. Farhan and medical evaluators. Best of
    luck to Brandon… He seems very nice, but, what a waste of time, effort, and cash.

    • WBBsAs

      1. It was a good day to give AGon a rest, with bad numbers v. BadGums, but I would have left Pederson in the lineup. The Dodger bench, though, is the best in baseball, and many of them would be starting elsewhere.
      2. Give credit to a good pitcher, even if he’ll never be Kershaw.
      3. Turner’s not an everyday player, but has excellent numbers v. BadGums.
      4. Rollins should be lower in the order until he gets going.
      5. The ‘pen’s been among baseball’s best. They got the job done.
      6. McCarthy had never had an elbow problem before. He has had shoulder problems, but still appears to have recovered from them.

      • john galt

        To your point #6: A lot of times reaction/adjustment to one injury can cause the development of another. You favor an injured foot and cause knee or back problems. I can easily believe an elbow injury might change something and cause a shoulder problem. Actually I think the pitcher injuries today are caused by the style of pitching that has evolved, they do things now that, although physically possible, are beyond the way Koufax and Drysdale and past greats pitched, and beyond the physiological limits man was actually designed to do. But if you can do it for a year or two, you can make enough money to last you the rest of your life or until the whole house of cards collapses.
        Time to shut up, I’m talking too much again.

    • Bob_Hendley

      ? We lost. The glass is empty!

    • john galt

      All good points in my book. I especially dislike/don’t understand the bent-arm pitchers they signed. $20MM for one good pitcher makes more sense than the same amount for two flawed wings who had maybe a 30% chance of completing the year anyway. The other things are the day to day ineptitudes of the bad manager we’re stuck with. It’s going to be a long year…

      • Bob_Hendley

        Had wanted them to go for a frontliner as well in the off season (heck, last season I was willing to give up Joc for a couple months of Lester) and agree there will be pressure for them to be active, but I can see them trying to cobble together a starter from the several guys they still have in the bag and waiting for Ryu to come back.

        • WBBsAs

          The current situation is still much better than re-signing Fausto Carmona.

          • john galt

            Unfortunately that’s the kind of pitcher they shop for. And we used to deride Ned for being a bottom feeder…

          • Bob_Hendley

            Don’t agree. There is (was) at least potential upside from what they have put together, as compared to last year and Maholm, Carmona and Correia.

          • WBBsAs

            The whole idea has to been to build depth and avoid the Correias and Maholms.

        • john galt

          Problem is, right now they need THREE starters and if anything happens to Clayton or Zack…

      • foul tip

        Not sure an injury history automatically makes players or pitchers riskier–especially when McCarthy’s injury list did not involve

        • john galt

          Statistically a player who has an injury has a far higher likelihood of having a recurrence or a different injury than one who has no injury record.

          • foul tip

            Would agree quickly if talking repeat of a prior injury. Are there studies that support a broader and more general claim like yours? Links to?

          • john galt

            Naw. I just made it up…. But that is my perception and I think a lot of people believe that way. I call it “The Inertia Theory”. People who are healthy tend to stay that way. The other side of that coin is People who have accidents and injuries tend to keep on having them. The insurance companies have the same philosophy and they probably have statistics to back it up.

          • foul tip

            Definitely so with some insurance companies who want to raise auto insurance rates for policyholders involved in more than, say, 3 accidents over 2 years–even if none were policyholder at-faults.

            “Incident-prone,” I think I’ve seen it called. They conveniently omit that they’re using it as an excuse to jack rates –and believe they can get away with it, and often do.

    • Re #3: You’d squeeze with no one out? The book says play for a big inning with none out and men on base, and I think I agree with the book here.

      • WBBsAs

        Especially early in the game.

  • foul tip

    When he signed, I saw several mentions of how great Anderson’s stuff is.

    He’s sure not missing many bats, and sure not lasting long into games so far. Nor is his extreme ground ball reputation bearing out.

    So, Dodgers may have to worry about another starter for performance reasons–even if he’s actually healthy.

  • john galt

    By the way, Congratulations for everyone’s participation before the game today. I know some people have to work and that can really put a crimp on internet surfing and fandom participation but being a baseball fan is a full time job, not just during the game. Thank you for entertaining me.

    • foul tip

      Yeah, work has a way of getting in the way of more important stuff sometimes.

  • foul tip

    Related, DM takes deserved heat for pitcher management.

    But his quickly yanking Anderson last time out at 4 2/3 IP, just one out short of qualifying for a win, played into a team victory–regardless of the chance for a pitcher win. DM saw the wheels coming off. Anderson admitted as much later.

    Another good sign was when DM told Yimi he wanted him facing the 3 toughest Gnat hitters in the 8th Monday. Usual Yimi results…1 IP 0 R 2K. Almost amazing for DM. Certainly encouraging.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Will be interesting if he decides to be more flexible with Kenley when he returns.

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