Game 138, 2017

Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:10 PM PT, TV: SPNLA, FS-A

The D-Backs send ex-Dodger Zack Greinke (16-6, 3.08 ERA) out to extend their winning streak to twelve, while Hyun-Jin Ryu tries to stop the Dodgers’ losing streak at four.

Greinke has not been as good on the road this year as at home; he’s got a 3-5 record with a 4.28 ERA away from Chase Field. Ryu has had a good second half if you take away his last outing against Arizona, when he gave up six runs and eight hits including three HRs in a 6-4 loss last Wednesday.

Pederson and Thompson have been recalled from OKC.

Today in Dodgers’ history:

  • 1908 Superbas southpaw Nap Rucker strikes out 14 Doves en route to tossing a no-hitter in the team’s 6-0 victory over Boston at Washington Park. The only runners to get on base off the talented left-handed redhead come as a result of three Brooklyn errors.
  • 1938 For the third time this season, Dodger catcher Babe Phelps breaks a bone in his throwing hand. Although the injuries will limit his playing time to only 66 games and 208 at-bats this season, the southpaw-swinging backstop will hit .308 and was named to the National League All-Star team, the first of three consecutive games he’ll play in the Mid-summer classic.
  • 1955 In an 11-4 win over the Phillies, Dodger pitcher Don Newcombe hits his seventh homer, establishing a National League record for home runs by a pitcher in a season. The victory is Newk’s 20th of the season.
  • 1998 Barry Bonds sets a new National League mark, reaching base in 15 consecutive plate appearances. The Giants outfielder’s five singles, two doubles, two homers, and six walks during the streak break Dodger Pedro Guerrero’s mark of 14 established in 1983.

Lineup when available.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Let tonight be the end of the streaks!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Is Puig terrible against Zack? Shouldn’t a hot bat counter righty/lefty considerations? — especially when the alternative is Granderson? (Grandy, prove me wrong — I WANT you to show that you can get this team to the playoffs and are worthy of the postseason roster.)

    • scooplew

      Puig should be starting over Granderson against Greinke, a righty, if for no other reason than his defense. Also, Puig this year is .284/.354/.550/.905 against righties and .167/.317/.235/.553 vs. lefties. In his career Puig has nine PAs vs, Greinke, a real small sample. He has a single, two walks and two strikeouts. Granderson is 15-for-66 vs. Greinke (.227) with three doubles, two triples and two homers, four walks and 13 strikeouts.

  • scooplew

    This may be the oldest average age lineup we have started this season.

  • I was hoping Joc would be in the lineup. He is batting .333 against Greinke.

  • Don’t panic, says Dylan Hernandez.

  • WBBsAs

    I like Ryu, but his nibbling is killing me.

    • And he is taking too much time to do it.

  • WBBsAs

    Still, more pitches than I would prefer. Walking Iannetta after getting him 0-2…

  • 24 games remaining in the regular season.

    • WinnipegDave

      25 games if you include tonight.

      Meaning if the Dodgers win them all they will win 117 games and break the record for most wins in a season.

      How’s that for blind optimism?

      • Winning half and they are close to winning the Division 5 years in a row.

  • Old Blue up to bat.

      • scooplew

        Marvelous group. I remember talking our daughter to see them in concert when she was about 7. Great show.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          I saw P, P & M 2 or three times . . . the last time Mary had to sit down almost the entire concert — they were still great.

          Then I saw Peter Yarrow by himself recently, in equal parts concert/discussion.

  • WinnipegDave

    Andre is back!

    • WinnipegDave

      At Dodger Stadium that is…

  • WinnipegDave

    Taylor stung that ball – right to the third baseman.

  • scooplew

    Just got home and saw where things stand. Old adage: You can’t win if you can’t score, and it is real hard to score if you don’t get any hits.. I am beyond crabby. Much of my unhappiness is directed (misdirected?) at Granderson and Forsythe.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Lately in the playoffs, the bats disappear.
      They’re practicing that drill earlier this year.
      But — they’ve had a tradition of scoring later and often this year . . . maybe they’ll remember how to do that.

      • scooplew

        That would be awful nice. It is now beyond comprehension.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          If there was a “we’ll win when we want to” attitude, that didn’t help.
          Obviously the Dodgers peaked and have since crashed. Hopefully they’ll pick themselves up and be able to compete.
          Meanwhile, hope AZ will peak soon . . . crash optional.

          • scooplew

            The Dodgers have lost their feeling of invincibility. I think they may also have lost their self-esteem, but I hope not. They have 3 1/2 weeks to recover the second. The first is gone.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            I agree about any thinking that they can beat everyone every day.
            I was also wondering about the self-esteem/confidence . . . perhaps I was just projecting how I would feel.
            That’s why I’ve been harping on get back on a winning streak before experimenting with personnel.

  • WBBsAs

    The camerawork is beyond awful – can the Snakes broadcast really be as bad as what we’re being shown?

  • WBBsAs

    Now we’ve lost Joe and Orel…

  • scooplew

    We have scored!

  • WinnipegDave

    Grand All!

  • WBBsAs

    Grande, ¡Grandal!

  • WBBsAs

    AGon beats the shift!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    As I’ve been doing lately, I looking to you guys for the update — glad to see Paul Revere brought good news!

  • RBI

    Finally able to take a look. I had to peek one-eyed at the score. A tie game feels like a miracle.

  • WBBsAs

    On the Schadenfreude side, the Gnats lose again and, after going 0-for-4, Phlablo Sandoval is hitting exactly .200.

    • scooplew

      Sandoval is on an 0-for-37 run after tonight’s game. He is making Granderson seem like Ted Williams.

      • WBBsAs

        It’ll be interesting to see if the Gnats bother to keep Phlablo over the winter, even though the Sawx are paying almost his entire salary. After all, he occupies a space on the 40-man roster (maybe even two spaces).

  • WinnipegDave

    Dang it.

    • WinnipegDave

      Belli is too tall – even when sliding.

  • WinnipegDave

    Head first slide and he would have been safe easily.

    • WBBsAs

      He also might have broken a finger or wrenched his neck.

      • scooplew

        I don’t like the headfirst slide. Here is a Joe Posnanski piece on its dangers:

        https://medium.com/joeblogs/stop-diving-head-first-bee3f7f46d20

        • WinnipegDave

          I don’t disagree with you – or Joe. It was more a comment on where the throw and tag got him. It wasn’t a great throw and the got a bit lucky.

          • scooplew

            Understood.

  • WBBsAs

    It’s 12:35 a.m. in Boston and, after 16-1/2, the Jays and Sawx are tied 2-2.

  • WBBsAs

    Going to the 18th in Bahston. The Sawx have used 11 pitchers.

  • scooplew

    Pinch-hit Utley for Forsythe, please.

    • scooplew

      Can’t say that I didn’t try. Forsythe tonight: two strikeouts, one GIDP. He simply should not be playing. Hate to say it, but lately Roberts’ managing reminds me of Mattingly at his worst.

      • scooplew

        Utley didn’t do any better, but at least if he had batted for Forsythe, the latter would be out of the game.

  • scooplew

    Glad to see Kenley coming in now. I hope that I don’t eat my words.

    • WinnipegDave

      I hope this doesn’t go 18 innings like Toronto and Boston.

      • scooplew

        If we win, I won’t mind, but if we lose . . .

  • WBBsAs

    At 1 a.m. EDT, Jays and Sawx are going to the 19th.

    • WinnipegDave

      If this game goes to 19, I will not make it.

  • RBI

    I literally can’t watch this game right now. First time all year.

  • RBI

    But the silence is deafening.

  • WinnipegDave

    Jansen is throwing a lot of pitches this inning. Up to 24 already.

  • WBBsAs

    Kenley looking a little rusty.

    • WinnipegDave

      Looked sharp to the first 2 batters and off on the next 3.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Let’s go, Dodgers!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    No extra innings!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    CT starts it off!

  • WinnipegDave

    Let’s go Granderson

  • RBI

    Oh, Taylor. No, no, no.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Boy did that silence the crowd.
    But like the aggressive approach.

    • RBI

      I didn’t. You can’t take that chance.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Didn’t see it, but at least they’re not going quiet into the night.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Of course, that could also be pressing.

        • RBI

          Wasn’t hit far enough.

        • WinnipegDave

          Pressing.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    C’mon, JT!

  • scooplew

    No eyes. How did the DP transpire?

    • RBI

      Not a DP. A CS.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        WAS a DP — tried to tag.

        • RBI

          Oh, right.

      • WBBsAs

        No, it was a DP. Taylor decided – wrongly – to try to take second on Granderson’s fly ball.

        • RBI

          Right. Too mad about it to think straight.

    • WinnipegDave

      Fly ball and Taylor tagged up and throw out at 2nd.

  • WinnipegDave

    Baez in the 10th

    • scooplew

      Doesn’t Roberts ever learn?

      • scooplew

        Why not Morrow?

        • RBI

          Can’t watch, again.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        I’m cringing as well.
        Saw him pitch to two batters Saturday — first hit a long fly to right center, then next hit it farther, over the wall.

  • RBI

    I think that attempted steal moved the momentum right into their hitting laps.

  • RBI

    Red Sox won in 19.

    • WBBsAs

      Hamlet blooped in a single for the win.

      • RBI

        Thanks for the detail!

      • WinnipegDave

        The play is the thing to wake the conscious(ness) of the crowd.

  • scooplew

    Hidden by that DP was the fact that Granderson is now hitting .105 as a Dodger (6-for-57). Yet he is in the No. 2 spot tonight.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Corey can’t come back fast enough.

      • scooplew

        There are others who could bat second besides Granderson or Hernandez.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          or Forsythe

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Baez does nothing to calm our fears.

  • scooplew

    I fear a gopher ball coming up.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Hope no.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    A strike — yay!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    C’mon, Pedro — get the K or double play!

    • scooplew

      In our dreams.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Two walks to start the inning — just what you want from a reliever with the game on the line.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Cheers for Doc coming to yank Baez.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Now boos — for Pedro and probably Doc as well.

      • scooplew

        Well-deserved for both of them.

    • scooplew

      What was Roberts thinking? Did he miss Baez’ last couple of outings? This is absurd.

  • WinnipegDave

    Baez still in.

    • scooplew

      No eyes. You’re kidding.

  • WinnipegDave

    Shattered bat and still advances the runner. So blinking lucky D-backs.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      A few weeks ago, everything the Dodgers touched was good.

      • WinnipegDave

        I’m fine with that.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          There’s not much fine about this team now.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    No IBB to create a force?

    • scooplew

      Good point.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Throwing the game away — two runs in!

    • RBI

      Oh no. That’s not what I wanted to read. Poor Bàez.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Poor us.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    The crowd is silent — is anyone there?

  • WBBsAs

    If Grandal catches the ball, the runner’s out by ten feet.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      It didn’t hit the runner?

      • WBBsAs

        From what I saw, Grandal just missed it.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Without him, there’s no 10th.
          WITH him, there may not be an 11th.
          Baseball allows the time for redemption and the opposite.

        • RBI

          So it was a Grandal error?

          • WBBsAs

            Yes, but Turner credited with assist.

  • WinnipegDave

    Nothing breaking right tonight for the Dodgers. We will laugh about this in October.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      In white jackets with the arms tied.

      • RBI

        Ha.

      • WinnipegDave

        In white and blue Dodger jerseys sipping champagne.

  • scooplew

    What happened on that play?

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    2 runs, 0 hits

  • scooplew

    I know Grandal can’t hit in the clutch. I didn’t know that he can’t field in the clutch.

    • WBBsAs

      So, his game-tying homer off Greinke doesn’t count?

      • scooplew

        Clutch is 7th inning or later, with your team tied, ahead by one or the tying run at least in the on-deck circle. It is called late and close in the stats. Grandal is now 11-for-69 in that category this year, a batting average of about .160. I have seen it virtually all year long.

    • WBBsAs
      • scooplew

        That was from May 2015.

  • WinnipegDave

    Imagine how redemptive and mood swing-y it would be if Dodgers walked it off this inning. It would wipe smiles off AZ players faces and put them in the Dodger dugout.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Yes it would.
      Three and a half weeks ago, it would even seem possible.
      Now . . .

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Divisional lead in danger of dropping . . . which will also drop HFA lead in both areas.

    If time was spent counting chickens, it should be spent on ways to field the best possible team, regardless of assessing anything other than the chance to win THAT game.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    How can they lose a game? Let me count the ways . . .

  • RBI

    At some point this tide has to turn. Right? Right?

    • WinnipegDave

      Of course.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        It “should.” It doesn’t have to.

  • RBI

    Biggest mistake? Bàez.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Nope.
      Showing up.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Then Baez.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Oh for the days of Ethier’s walk-off hits! (even if this wouldn’t be one)

  • RBI

    Seager single. We have missed him lately.

    • scooplew

      Big time.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Almost as big an understatement as “I wish we could have a re-vote.”

      • RBI

        Well, I am trying to keep my comments clean.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          I’m crabby about LA (the team) and 1600 (the address).

          • RBI

            Moi aussi. As Scoop says, “Big time.”

  • WinnipegDave

    Tough one. Get them tomorrow.

    • RBI

      I am pure grumpiness right now. But I appreciate your positivity.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      I think we know those lyrics by heart!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Fortunes are going to have to change immensely . . . to get into the playoffs AND to do anything once in them.

    • scooplew

      Absolutely. A five-game losing streak, followed by tense 1-0 win by Kershaw, followed now by another five-game losing streak.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        And that win featured the well-oiled offense getting 8 hits for that single run.

        • scooplew

          I shudder to think what the team’s batting average has been starting with the Rich Hill near-perfect game, near-no-hitter, 1-0 loss in 10.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            You’re right — that was even worse production . . and to me, that was definitely the start of all this., even tho they won twice after.

  • I can only imagine how frustrated the players and coaches are, but that frustration can’t be any greater than what the fans are suffering.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      You said it!

    • RBI

      D-backs have 12 wins in a row. They need to be stopped. I am glad the Indians have them beat as far as this unbelievable streak goes. Otherwise they’d be even more obnoxious.

  • scooplew

    What would Tommy Lasorda have done to the post-game spread if he were still the manager?

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Mo said Grandal should’ve had the throw.
    I know he does fairly well catching runners trying to steal . . . but I believe he also has a lot of pitches get past him . . . is Austin better?

    • RBI

      He does seem to get a lot of passed balls. Not sure about throws home.

      • scooplew

        Entering tonight’s game Grandal led the league in passed balls with 14. The next most was 11.

        • RBI

          Yup. Sounds about right.

          • scooplew

            Our eyes and memories don’t deceive us.

  • RBI

    I have tickets to Thursday’s game. At least I will get to see Kershaw.

    • scooplew

      Roberts should have had Kershaw pitching Wednesday. It would have been on regular four days of rest, and it would have been against Arizona.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Maybe he doesn’t want to show he’s concerned.
        But he should be.
        Managers have to walk the line of expressing confidence in the team but doing what’s best to win.

        • scooplew

          I see your point, and I think it has some validity. Roberts announced the six-man rotation several days ago.

      • RBI

        Why isn’t he doing that?

        • scooplew

          Maybe he wants to make sure that you, being one of the club’s most loyal fans, gets to see Kershaw in person! Seriously, he announced recently that he was going with a six-man rotation, at least for this week or so.

          • RBI

            Right. I remember that now.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      What a treat, regardless of the game’s outcome! (He hit the ball great twice last Friday, including a basehit, so that’s a boost for the bats . . . and we know they need every kind of boost they can get!)

  • RBI

    Any idea when Seager is back in the line-up?

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      CO series is what I heard, not sure which day.

      • scooplew

        That will be a welcome return.

        • RBI

          I would bring Joc back as well. See if the old magic works.

          • scooplew

            Totally agree. With Joc in center, Roberts can juggle things around so there is less likelihood of Granderson, Hernandez or Forsythe starting. I would be happy tomorrow night with an outfield of Ethier, Pederson and Puig, with Taylor at second and Culberson at short.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Bat Puig 8th! It worked before!

          • scooplew

            Yes. It was working very well.

          • Yes but who bats 5th, and 6th assuming Joc bats 7th? Barnes and Culberson?

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    If AZ faces LA in October, they would justifiably be confident they can win.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Silver Lining (tougher and tougher to find each day): Ryu bounced back even better than Rich.
    AND, for the first time since Saturday’s “throw in everyone because it’s the Padres,” LA had a legitimate chance to win it in the 9th (thank you, JT!).

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    If they’re healthy, follow the advice of my old writing prof — “Dance with the one ya brought” — recreate the lineup that was winning. At least until they start winning again.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Any port in a storm, but from August 15 when they moved Puig up through the 25th, the Dodgers went 8-2, so that was a winning lineup at that point, then, some other things happened.

  • Taylor
    Seager
    Turner
    Bellinger
    Barnes
    Ethier
    Pederson
    Puig

  • There is something to be said living on the east coast and games starting after 10. I called it a night real early in the game and now I know not to watch it this morning. Enjoyed everybody’s comments–they really do give the tenor of the game.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Meh. Nothing beats seeing my Dodgers, win or lose, and following along with my comrades here. Really missing this on current trip to Italy.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Some perspective

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Without even looking at it, I remember my brother sending me something similar on November 8th showing the immense possibility that the election would end in a way that I would be happy.
      It didn’t.
      Let’s hope this has a happier outcome!

      • Bob_Hendley

        Snakes need 36 of 47 outcomes to go their way.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Thanks for the summary. Right now, it feels that WILL happen.
          I’m hoping things change from “right now”!

  • Looking back to fearly July, The Dodgers (61-29) entered the All-Star break with the best record in baseball and won 26 of their last 30 games.

    Those 30 games is what finally separated the Dodgers from Arizona and Colorado; two teams that kept on winning with the Dodgers until they couldn’t.

    Here are the stats for key players during that 30 game stretch sorted by the ratio of outcome per plate appearance.

    Sorted by runs per PA

    Forsythe.202
    Pederson .200
    Turner .196
    Bellinger .190
    Seager .151
    Taylor .141
    Puig .141

    Sorted by HR per PA

    Bellinger.103
    Pederson.082
    Puig.076
    Turner.074
    Seager.058
    Taylor.028Forsythe.020
    Sorted by RBI per PA

    Bellinger.224
    Seager.209
    Pederson.176
    Turner.168
    Taylor.132
    Puig.130
    Forsythe.101
    Sorted by K per PA

    Turner.084
    Pederson.174
    Puig.185
    Forsythe.192
    Bellinger.233
    Taylor.292
    Seager.314
    Sorted by Average

    Turner.369
    Seager.364
    Forsythe.309
    Pederson.304
    Bellinger.290
    Puig.284
    Taylor.258
    Sorted by OBP

    Turner.495
    Pederson.435
    Seager.430
    Forsythe.424
    Bellinger.379
    Puig.359
    Taylor.321
    Sorted by SLG

    Bellinger.730
    Turner.702
    Pederson.696
    Seager.636
    Puig.568
    Forsythe.444
    Taylor.433
    Sorted by OPS

    Turner1.198
    Pederson1.131
    Bellinger1.109
    Seager1.067
    Puig0.927
    Forsythe0.869
    Taylor0.754

    The Dodgers need Pederson or someone that hit like Pederson during those 30 games and it is clear that that person is not Granderson or Gonzales.

  • After reading comments on the Dodger.com site, it seems Forsythe is very unpopular right now.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Another Silver Lining Dept. note: Zack is still tied with Kersh for Wins . . . and hopefully Kersh is able to do something about that tomorrow. (Yes, bats need to participate, but Kersh will be one of them — ‘If it’s meant to be, it’s up to me!’)

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