Game 136, 2017

Dodgers at Padres, 1:40 PM PT, TV: SPNLA, FSSD

The Dodgers ask LHP Alex Wood (14-1, 2.41 ERA) to help them salvage a split in this series, while the Padres ask RHP Jhoulys Chacin (11-10, 4.03 ERA) to help pull off an unlikely series win.

Wood is coming off the disabled list where he’d been with an irritated sternum; he’s been given a cortisone injection. Despite that he’s having a career year. Chacin has been unable to get past the fifth inning in his last four starts but has limited the opposition to one run in three of them.

Seager and Bellinger have not been in the lineup together since August 19. The Dodgers are averaging 3.14 runs-per-game in the two weeks since.

This day in Dodgers history:

  • 1917 Grover Cleveland Alexander goes the distance in both games of the Phillies’ doubleheader sweep of Brooklyn at Ebbets Field. In his 18 innings of work, the Philadelphia right-hander limits the Dodgers to seven hits en route to posting 5-0 and 9-3 victories in the twin bill.
  • 1978 At Dodger Stadium, Lee Mazzilli becomes the first Mets player to hit a home run from both sides of the plate in a game. The center fielder’s first and seventh inning blasts, respectively hit off southpaw Tommy John and right-hander Charlie Hough, pace the last-place club to an 8-5 victory.

Lineup when available.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Rain?

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        No such luck.

        • RBI

          Funny.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            And sad.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Need those two kids healthy and in the lineup, but power outage has been deeper. Seager had his hitting streak, but injury sapped him of his power. He as well as Taylor and Turner all OPSed around .700 during this period, about .200 lower than normal.

  • RBI

    I am ready for our starting pitchers to have a few clean innings.

    • WBBsAs

      And to have significantly lower pitch counts.

      • I imagine they and Roberts and Honeycutt feel exactly the same.

  • RBI

    Two pitches, two outs. Really?

  • RBI

    I need to calm down. It’s hotter than Hades in L.A. and I woke up grumpy to begin with.

    • scooplew

      Maybe somebody should wake up Doc, based on some of the lineups he has trotted out there lately. It’s not just using three callups together but batting Forsythe leadoff? I would rather have Pederson, who is still at OKC, playing CF than Verdugo.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Logan is third on the team among the regulars in OBP, which is what a leadoff hitter is supposed to do. Joc is trying to work out some issues on the farm. Doc is awake and following a plan of resting and testing personnel and match ups.

        • scooplew

          I know that there are Forsythe supporters out there, and I respect that. I simply am just not one of them. Regarding Forsythe’s OBP, it is good for a leadoff man, But he rarely bats leadoff, and I don’t think that he should. His OPS, which I think is more relevant given where he generally bats — fifth or below — is .683 and lower than those of Turner, Bellinger, Taylor, Barnes, Seager, Puig, Grandal, Pederson, Hernandez and Utley. That is my big concern with Forythe. I acknowledge that Pederson has not regained his stroke in the PCL.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Logan not a bad option in a lineup that didn’t feature CT, Seager or Chase in the first game of a doubleheader. One might argue that the main element of his OPS is getting on base, so good to have guys following him who do better in the SLG part of the equation than the OBP part.

          • He might be more valuable hitting 8th to reduce the odds of the pitcher leading off or allowing the pitcher to bunt him over.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Wood’s velocity is up, but so are his pitches. Best when he is getting the ball down.

  • RBI

    Well, two of those balls on Wood’s latest walk were called strikes for Chacin, if Gameday Is to be believed. On further review, maybe not.

  • RBI

    Oh good god, every hit for the Padres is lucky, every one for us is unlucky. Just the way it is.

  • Wood is not long for this game. 70% humidity and 52 pitches without an out in the third inning.

    • scooplew

      Wood melts in heat?

      • And Baez spontaneously combusts.

  • WBBsAs

    This game appears to be turning around.

    • scooplew

      And turning back.

  • Bob_Hendley

    No eyes. What was delay?

    • WBBsAs

      Pads arguing over whether Myers’ throw went into dugout or not. Hedges was in the dugout when he retrieved it.

  • RBI

    CT3!

  • RBI

    And again we are hitting them hard but right at them. They are hitting them hard and out, or where we are not.

  • RBI

    All season we have had only one “automatic out,” and that is Forsythe.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Not true. He actually makes less outs than most of his teammates.

      • RBI

        Is that true? I feel like he strikes out all the time!

        • Bob_Hendley

          Fifth in Ks, but leads team in BB. I comment on his ranking in OBP below. Agree that not a lot of fun to watch and underperforming as regards expectations on the power side.

  • RBI

    Like I said…

  • RBI

    Can’t the pitching coach talk to Forsythe? Is he too “veteran” to correct, or what?

    • scooplew

      You know how I feel about Forsythe, so no further comment.

  • RBI

    Anybody out there, or amI griping to myself? I don’t blame you guys, just asking.

    • I’m here, but I’m on the second load of laundry and still have a dishwasher to empty. Then I have to wash myself.

    • I am here but am watching a western movie and only glance at gameday from time to time.

      • What western?

        • Rancho Notorious. Just a movie we taped yesterday. Its raining here and a good day to watch old movies. We will probably switch over to the Dodger game and watch it for awhile.

          • scooplew

            Given how the Dodgers are playing, Bad Day at Black Rock seems more appropriate.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Ha!
            Thanks, I needed that.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      I was trying to be productive and take a nap after checking here and not seeing much encouraging (before scoring).

      I DID sleep, but apparently so did Wood . . . and the bats awoke, then back to their coma.

  • Oh come on. Our starting pitchers have suddenly hit a really rough patch.

  • RBI

    I would say two runs, no problem. Except, it’s suddenly a problem.

  • RBI

    First time I’ve heard Nomar say, “You still have to make sure you are in the post-season…”

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Statistically, it should be a given.
      But statistics mean nothing in any given game . . . and the Dodges have played two weeks of those games.

  • RBI

    Nice slider, Wood!

  • RBI

    I really want a comeback win here. Can you tell?

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      I’d like any kind of win again.
      No, I’d like several of them bunched together.

  • RBI

    Guys, you have to protect against that outside pitch. He’s consistently calling them!

  • RBI

    Silver lining? Wood going six, looks like.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      And better run production than Friday night (sheesh, 8 hits, 1 run).

  • RBI

    Chacin swinging for the fences on that one!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    “Lets go, Dodgers!”

    Was fun joining the spontaneous cheering of that at Petco yesterday, then having Padres fans trying to drown us out on the last word. I turned and looked at one such fan and we both smiled. . . . As long as we can all still do that, I think I can remember it’s still just a game. And that IS all it is.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Belli!

  • RBI

    Pop fly triple! We will take it!

    • Flexing the muscle.

      • RBI

        Tee-hee.

        • Loved the head down, disappointed slow trot out of the box followed by the happy Adrenalin that took him to third.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Yay!

  • RBI

    Puig doubles!

    • Did you HEAR that hit? I’m listening to the radio and it was hit like a shot. Wow that was loud.

      • Did it on a low and away slider as well.

  • scooplew

    Bumgarner gave up three HRs, 5 ERs, in six innings for the Giants today. But he did hit a homer. Cards leading 7-3 in the 8th, Matt Moore making his first relief appearance of the season. Old friend Federowicz, now catching for the Giants, just homered.

  • RBI

    Baseball gods finally taking pity?

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Cash in on this, bats! Like the days of yestermonth!

  • scooplew

    OK, Forsythe, prove me wrong.

    • Monday talking about all the strikes Forsythe takes.

    • RBI

      I think I would faint if he swung at the first strike.

      • If only he would have taken that last one.

    • Bob_Hendley

      This has worked before!

    • scooplew

      What a remarkable at bat by Forsythe.

      • Well, you did leave a remark.

      • scooplew

        Trust me, I haven’t reach my opinion of Forsythe quickly. It was been developed over a long season. Prior to that at bat, he was batting in .196 in the “late and close” category. That is when you come up in the 7th inning or later and your team is tied, ahead by one run or the tying run is at least on deck.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          I like that stat. Not Forsythe’s, but the metric itself.

          • scooplew

            I think that it is a very telling metric. It is a way of gauging who is and who isn’t a clutch hitter, which otherwise is often a subjective perspective.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Agree.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    So much for that.
    When I heard it was Forsythe batting, my stomach sunk.

  • RBI

    Oh man do I dislike Forsythe right now.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Sign me up for that club.

    • scooplew

      Let me count the ways. (Acknowledging possible Rule 7 and Rule 8 violations.)

  • RBI

    When Forsythe is up, I think “why not save us time and put up the 0-2?” Okay, I run the risk of breaking a rule here, so I will cease and desist from any more Forsythe complaints. For today.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      During this stretch, I think that rule can be relaxed.
      Funny, this stretch started with that “interesting game,” also connected with the rules.

    • Think about John Forsythe instead.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Fact is that Logan has an OPS+ of 128 with 2 outs RISP and 115 in high leverage situations, which are much better than his overall OPS+ of 87.

      • Bob, you are letting alternate facts get in the way of our thinking.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          — our feelings, and his recent production.

        • scooplew

          Bob, and I mean this sincerely, I think that his “late and close” average is a better indication of his ability to contribute. However, we can agree to disagree.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Players contribute in a lot of different ways. You chose this indicator because it sums up how you feel about him, but it does not sum up his contributions to the team no matter how far under expectations they may be.

  • RBI

    Well this is fun. Second and third, no out. Padres are thoroughly out-playing us this series.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      More fun — bases loaded.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Apparently this string of horrendous games started close to the publication of the SI issue asking if this team is the best ever.

    The UNLV football team was favored by 45 points last night . . . and lost by 3, considered perhaps the worst loss against the spread ever.

    There’s something to say for coming in under the radar.

    • RBI

      I worried the minute I saw that cover. I am such a magical thinker.

      • scooplew

        You generally end up on the cover of SI when you are at the apex. There is no place to go but down. The Dodgers are but the latest example of that. Sadly.

    • And Liberty, another FCS school, beat Baylor yesterday. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving athletic department.

  • RBI

    I may have to stop watching.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      “To thine own self be true.”

    • scooplew

      Forsooth.

    • Yeah, it might be back to the western again.

      • And it wasn’t a good western.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          This isn’t a good game.
          Hopefully it’ll change. But go for it — maybe that’ll work!

  • RBI

    Is Roberts testing the fans’ mettle?

  • RBI

    Too late. What I have seen cannot be unseen.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Funny.
      And sad.
      If we can’t laugh, we’re lost — kind of my philosophy since Jan. 20.

      • RBI

        But but but…this was my happy place!

  • HLKLA

    Okay this is like we are back to how we played in April, just like our season has been book ended by two bad months.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      At least they ended April 2 games above .500.

  • RBI

    I aso miss Joe Davis. Where is he?

    • Football duties.

      • RBI

        For the rest of the season?

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          He knows something!

        • Bob_Hendley

          Weekends at the most.

        • Fox NCAA football commentator. Also does play-by-play on NFL regional games for Fox.

  • scooplew

    Why is Roberts throwing a rookie reliever who has no chance of being on the post-season roster and who has kicked around in the minors for 12 seasons into a close and meaningful game?

    • Bob_Hendley

      At this point guessing that Doc feels like the only meaningful games are post-season ones.

      • RBI

        Not sure I entirely agree.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Used 11 relievers yesterday. May want to save them for the Snakes.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            First indication will be the lineup.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        I really like Roberts, but as I — and others have written — one can’t expect to suddenly just winning just because you want to (and if they can, why haven’t they these last two weeks?).
        If that IS his feeling, I can only assume that the players aren’t stressing and he’s not worried about mo factor.
        But it’s one thing to lose 3 in a row to end the season when you have Koufax and Drysdale (as I believe was the case in ’63). Another when you have Kershaw and ??????.
        Yes, i know there’s 4 weeks to go . . . but two weeks ago there were 6 and those two have stunk.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Winning is great and they are playing poorly right now for a variety of reasons, but momentum is not correlated with success in the post season.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            I’m not in the clubhouse, but I know my confidence goes down when I’m not able to do what I did before. — in sports and other aspects.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    If they don’t pull this out, it’s three series losses in a row, including a 3-game sweep and a doubleheader sweep . . . by the Padres.

    8 of 9 losses, most before the callups, so one would assume they were really trying to win those.

    Pregame show, Mo said the players were frustrated and ready to score. The former probably true but that didn’t make it happen.

    Can’t expect to flip a switch and win. I really want them to at least TRY to win, from the starting lineup to the in-game decisions.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    6 outs to go . . . are these gonna be quality at bats or what we’ve seen too often lately?

    • RBI

      There’s your answer.

  • scooplew

    Nice job by Avilan.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Good inning by Tony C. — not that much was on the line.

  • RBI

    Cingrani looked great!

  • RBI

    Still here. Hope is “the” thing with feathers. Or bats.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Thanks, Em!

  • scooplew

    A last thought on OBP. Steve Sax was our second baseman in 1988, the last time we won the pennant (and the World Series). His OBP was .325, considerably lower than Forsythe’s .364 this season (before today). Who would you rather have play second base? Sax. One reason is that Sax hit .348 in the more significant (in my mind, at least) “late and close” category compared to Forsythe’s .196 this season (before today).

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      — except when he couldn’t throw to 1st!

      • scooplew

        (Darn. I was hoping no one would mention that.)

      • “please don’t hit it to me, or Saxy either”

        • scooplew

          One of baseball’s best all-time comments.

      • Bob_Hendley

        reminded of the Guerrero quip.

  • scooplew

    We open a three-game series at home tomorrow vs. the Diamondbacks, who are about to be 13 1/2 games behind. Colorado then comes in for four.

    • RBI

      What I call a “yike-fest.”

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Belli!
    Good for him . . . not much for this game, I don’t think.

    • Is there a higher level of baseball Bellinger wants to be promoted to?

  • RBI

    Belli bomb!

    • His last two HRs were against lefties.

  • scooplew

    Great job, Bellinger! Too bad Castillo (who?) gave up two runs in the 7th.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      “Who?” is a common response this weekend re the Dodgers.

      • scooplew

        True.

        • scooplew

          Sorry, Doc, but it was a bad decision to bring in Castillo.

          • RBI

            And leaving him in there for so long.

          • he went 1 1/3 yesterday with two Ks.

  • RBI

    Close but no cigar from Hernandez.

  • RBI

    Good hustle, Puig!

  • Good hustle, Puig!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Nice to hear Puig hustled on that, regardless of the outcome.

    • scooplew

      Puig has rather quietly had a good season. Not much drama this year.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Totally agree.
        And such an asset in the field, regardless of what happens at the plate.

        • scooplew

          And many of us, including me, would not have been sad to see him dealt in the 2016-2017 off-season.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Add me to that club. It was said he was too much of a distraction.

          • RBI

            I always liked him.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            I liked his potential. Didn’t like his attitude — but now he seems open to learning.

  • RBI

    Call should stand, I think.

  • scooplew

    Let’s have Verdugo get on and Forsythe hit a 3-run homer.

    • On the first pitch?

      • scooplew

        You are asking for too much, no?

    • Bob_Hendley

      I have seen your prodding work.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Whatever it takes.
        That includes Dave heading back to China.

        • scooplew

          Didn’t hear today from WinnipegDave, did we? Maybe he’s busy packing.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Now THAT would be dedication!

  • RBI

    If they call Puig out, truly out with a whimper.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    At least they had a look at it . . .

  • Well, that was a lost weekend. San Diego’s a nice town, but not when it hosts events like this.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Lost fortnight.

  • RBI

    That truly sucked. I hated several of the umps’ calls, but the Padres just flat out out-pitched and out-hit us.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Seems like it’s (insert opposing team) for that statement.

      • RBI

        Last several series, anyway.

  • scooplew

    Sincerely, thanks to everybody for your lively and thoughtful comments and your pleasant way of debating. You made today’s loss, and many in the recent past, much more tolerable. Until tomorrow night.

    • RBI

      I concur.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      This site is definitely a lifesaver, attitude-wise.
      As I said before, the definition of friends applies: A place to double the joy and halve the sorrow.

    • Cheers–
      Making your way in the world today takes everything you’ve got.
      Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.
      Wouldn’t you like to get away?
      Sometimes you want to go
      Where everybody knows your name,
      and they’re always glad you came.

      • scooplew

        Beautiful. Cheers to you.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Been fun for what it was, another loss and all.

  • UCLA football now on TV

    • scooplew

      Hey, thanks. Texas A&M should be a good season-opening test.

      • Hey scoop, hope you hung in there and watched the game to its end. Can you believe it?

  • Bob_Hendley

    8-18 from here on out gets us to 100 wins.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      At least three of those series are vs. playoff-hopeful/bound teams. They should be interesting.
      Hopefully not the same type of interesting as these last three series.

      • Bob_Hendley

        ‘Stros need to go 17-9 to reach 100.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Very interested in how Doc approaches the Nats series (because I will be there!), as Dusty will be gunning for bear. Expect there to be a playoff atmosphere in the stadium. Depending on where we are by then, wouldn’t be surprised if Doc played possum and continued with his ways. Dusty would be fit to be tied. Why show them what we got.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          That should be exciting for you .. . unless you get a game like I had yesterday with the AAA players — and Brock — starting. (Tho in retrospect, Stewart didn’t do that bad.)

          • Bob_Hendley

            I think a good chance is seeing AAA in one or two games at least.

    • RBI

      Wow. That does take some of the sting out of today!

      • Bob_Hendley

        .500 gets us to 105.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Helps one appreciate even more all that they have done to get where they are!

  • RBI

    Brewers only 1/2 back from Rockies for second wild card position. And the D-backs are 10 and 0. Wow.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Hopefully AZ and LA streaks end these next three games.

      • RBI

        Exactly. Let’s sweep ’em!

  • RBI

    I know Joc isn’t hitting well, but I would feel badly for him if he isn’t called back up. Doc didn’t sound that hopeful today.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Imagine he stays until the end of the season there to get his reps, before rejoining the club.

  • RBI

    Okay, I am now going to exercise while watching two teams I don’t care about play. (NYY and BRS)

    • As WBBsAs says, there’s handegg. Although UCLA is getting smashed by Texas A&M.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Ye of little faith!

        • A&M ought to quit playing football after that debacle.

      • WBBsAs

        Handegg means naptime.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Doc saying he’s still expecting to win, even playing 5 rookies Saturday, and doesn’t wanna kill the starters: http://m.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article/252222602/roberts-dodgers-not-easing-up-with-big-lead/

  • Bob_Hendley

    Puig has generated WAR 3.3 this year, more than double that of the past two years combined. While his oWAR is 1.5, exactly double, his defense has contributed 1.4, as opposed to only 0.2. The rest is from improved base running.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    How long has it been since we’ve said ‘Glad the Dodgers are out of San Diego!’???

  • WBBsAs
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