New Year, New Post

Rob Neyer at FoxSports:

The Dodgers were expected to spend WHATEVER IT COSTS to retain the services of Zack Greinke. Absent Greinke, or maybe even with Greinke, the Dodgers were expected to acquire one of the other big-time pitchers out there: David Price or Johnny Cueto.

Greinke signed with the Diamondbacks, Price with the Red Sox, and Cueto with the Giants. Ergo, the Dodgers had (or are having) a lousy winter. Right?

Before exploring that question in some detail, we should start with this salient fact: The Dodgers won 92 games last season.

Thank you, Mr. Neyer. The pundits and fans do somehow forget the team has won three titles in a row, and only two of them were Greinke-aided. It can survive without him.

Neyer points out that the Dodgers re-signed Anderson, who was pretty good and figures to be close to that again. They signed Kazmir, who figures to be better than Anderson. They signed Maeda, who only has to be an average pitcher for him to replace the 12 guys who tried to fill that role at the back end of the rotation last year. They also still have Wood, who’s young and whose history is better than his performance with the Dodgers last season. They’ll get Ryu back, and we don’t know yet how complete his recovery might be. Finally, they’ll get McCarthy back mid-season, and if he’s recovered most of his form that will be the equivalent of getting a mid-season trade for a starter done without giving up a player or two.

Neyer thinks the Dodgers will be pretty good this season. So do I.

  • HLKLA

    A lot of “what ifs” in his logic, but I tend to agree. The Dodgers are not as bad off as the fan base seems to think.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Ifs are part of the off season and it’s not like the Dodgers have the market cornered in them. While the writers are bedazzled by the big FA signings the contributions of these players are not sure things. Take the giants (please!), Bums is a good pitcher, and their ace, but not at Clayton’s level, with a career ERA+ of 118 versus Kershaw’s 154. Samardzija has shown some ability, but his ERA+ last year was 79. Cueto has had a great career, but in his most recent stint with KC had an ERA+ of 87. Not saying that they will be flops, but the giants invested $210 million in them for the next 5-6 years and have yet to resolve their outfield issue (talk about jumbles).

      • package206

        Hmm, who would be better to have, Cueto and Smardzija or Kazmir and Maeda? That’s an easy one.

        • Bob_Hendley

          I can do without $210 million commitments that take pitchers whose most recent performances were less than stunning into their mid-30s.

          • WBBsAs

            Samardzija has never impressed me. I have doubts about Cueto, but he could still be good.

          • Howard Fox

            Agreed, neither one was on my list, for what it’s worth.

            I was going to say this is my Fair and Balanced view, but I’ll leave it alone.

          • WBBsAs

            Cueto has been really good in the past. The question is whether his recent dropoff is just a glitch. Samardzija has always been mediocre.

          • Howard Fox

            True on Cueto, memory is not what it was…were the Reds upper echelon at any time in his tenure there?

          • WBBsAs

            Cueto was certainly upper echelon.

          • Howard Fox

            Sorry, what I was asking was…was he pitching in relatively low pressure situations? or were the Reds competitive while he was there…

        • RBI

          I am intrigued by Maeda, so I like where we are!

          • package206

            So if you had to select either or, who would you select?

          • RBI

            Maeda and Smardzija. then Kazmir. I don’t think Cueto will bounce back. All hunch, no saber metrics, by the by.

          • package206

            Interesting take RBI.

          • package206

            Grandma Dinks, What is your take on the position players?

          • RBI

            Let’s see: Happy with A-Gon. Think Kiké will surprise us positively at second, wish we hadn’t re-signed Utley – still think of him as a Philly and a bully. I would have been happier with Kendrick coming back to platoon. Praying that Turner stays well and strong, because I love his attitude and defense at third, and when he’s healthy and hitting, look out. Very excited to have Seager full time at SS. Think Grandal and Ellis will both be solid as catchers, with Grandal hitting much better after his surgery. I am hoping Roberts will really help Puig settle down and play to his capabilities, but he’s the biggest position player question mark in my mind. I predict Pederson will adjust and start hitting again, and love love love his defense. Glad we still have Ethier and Van Slyke. Not expecting much from CC. (Who am I missing in the outfield?) Very excited that we have so many young arms awaiting their chance to pitch at Dodger Stadium. So, I would say I’m very excited to see how this year goes. If we’d just bought/traded our way into what looked like an unbeatable team at the expense of the youngsters, I would be disappointed. That said, I will be watching and cheering for Zack, whenever he isn’t pitching against us. That was quite the pitching duo we had, eh?

          • package206

            Guess we will find out just how strong Grenike/Kershaw was. I like your take but I wonder if we are not a bit thin in the infield. Knowing that Turner has been hurt frequently and Utley also, I don’t see enough backup. However, Kike could step up at 2nd, also with just Seager at SS and AGon at 1st it just looks thin to me. I know SVS can play 1st but I am not crazy about that option. Anyway, I am anxious for the season to start. I hope Momma stays happy a lot.

          • package206

            Hey RBI, can you hook me up with some tickets next year?

          • RBI

            Hi Package! Somehow this got lost in the shuffle. I can certainly recommend the seating area I like, which are not that expensive and really fun. If you let me know when you might be out here, I’ll see if it’s a night I have tix, and we can go together or sit nearby. Maybe out together a Linkmeister group, and lure Bob up from Las Vegas!

          • foul tip

            Maeda doubters cite concerns about pitching every 5 days instead of once a week given his small stature and how his small hands will handle the different American ball.

            Yet other Japanese pitchers have done well after adjusting to 5 days. There are always some doubts about any unproven player.

            Guess we’ll find out. ;-])

          • Howard Fox

            Didn’t they once talk about stamina and stature in regard to another old Dodger pitcher we traded away? Wasn’t that Tommy’s thinking? And how did that go for us? I think Maeda will be fine.

          • HLKLA

            Yea, according to Tommy, Pedro was too small in stature to be successful in the major leagues. I was thinking the same thing?

  • WBBsAs

    Regarding the previous thread’s comment on Lincescum, which was closed by the time I got back after a six-hour drive on gravel roads: I’d certainly like to see the Gnats sign him to an expensive long-term contract but, if he were to become a Dodger, only as a BP guy.

    • Bumsrap

      Lincecum had a couple of very good outings last year and recently had the same hip surgery by the same doctor as Alex Rodriguez had before the 2015 season. If Lincecum’s collapse was mostly due to or related to a bad hip that is now repaired, he could be a FAZ type guy.

      He might take a one year deal with incentives. Maybe a minor league contract with a mandatory call up by May 1 or become a free agent. I can’t think of a sharper dagger into the hearts of the Giants and their fans as would Lincecum pitching ace like for the Dodgers in 2016.

      • WBBsAs

        He’s washed up.

  • package206

    Yes there are a lot of ifs in that post. There are still holes to address. I don’t think the team is as deep as last year without Howie and the outfield is some jumbled. I could tell you why but I may have told you before. HeHeHe

    • WBBsAs

      And it’s only three months until Opening Day! No time to get anything done!

  • WBBsAs
    • package206

      Are you good to go with the Dodger’s position players for 2016? No improvements?

      • WBBsAs

        None of the guys mentioned in that article would be an improvement. The biggest improvement will be Seager at SS all year.

        • package206

          I hope Seager stays well as I don’t see a suitable backup.

  • foul tip
  • package206

    Audit, you still awake??

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    Well…. I’m going to try my luck here…. ( Preface – No Snark Intended…… )
    ….
    Once last season ended, I made the prediction that the Dodgers would not re-sign Greinke.
    ( I said this for a number of reasons…. the most prevalent being the anticipated financial commitment & the fact that I believe that Friedman/Farhan are totally out show show upper management that they can field a competitive-enough team to draw enough fans to make the Dodgers even more of a financial success whether they win a WS any time soon or not. Essentially, ” The Whiz Kids ” are doing what any Business 100 students would do first……. Cut down on the operating expenses. ) This is not an ‘accusation’ as I’m not upset about it. It’s just what I’m reading into things based on my observations. That’s all. I could be wrong.
    ….
    So, my prediction #2 = The Dodgers will make a number of trades, of both the bigger and the smaller variety before Openning Day.
    – I say this because I believe their reasoning is “Two-Fold”….
    1. They would like to improve their organizational depth and MLB Roster ….
    2. They wish to ‘purge’ the organization of certain players and/or farmhands which I believe they really don’t want. Signing FA’s only allows you to ‘purge’ draft picks ! 🙂

    • package206

      Hey Jonny TAFKAJ, I basically agree with most of what you have written. I posted in the last thread about the same thing. I think you have come to believe the same thing. There is a big difference between fielding a competitive team and winning a WS. I don’t believe there will be any big, big trades but who knows, we can always hope.There was an article in the Times today about Mike Piazza. Good observation in my opinion.

      • JonnyTAFKAJ

        Thanks for the head’s up on the Piazza article, Pack.
        I’ll check it out !

      • WBBsAs

        There’s not much difference, actually. Plenty of mediocre teams – see the recent Gnats, for example – have won the Series. The post-season is a small sample size.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Yet, the first thing they did was balloon expenses to $300 million.

      • JonnyTAFKAJ

        Hey Bob….

        Four things here for you tonight…..
        1. It’s just my call…. so, let’s see what the final number is on Openning Day.
        2. Remember…. “The Purge” …. Wait for it…. Wait for it…. 🙂
        3. http://www.truebluela.com/2013/10/21/4861112/los-angeles-dodgers-payroll
        – I gave up trying to analyze their chart…
        4. Thanks to your recommendation, I ordered Tango’s “The Book….” on Amazon.
        Thanks again, Bob.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Jon – no doubt that they are trying to cut expenses, but my point is that they didn’t do Business 100, rather they are following Business 101 and invested in the team so that they might thereafter reduce expenses in an effective way to maintain competitiveness. If you include the luxury tax they actually spent over $340 million in their first year. Not sure that we have to wait for the purge, it already started (Matty, Wilson, League, Olivera).

          • JonnyTAFKAJ

            You’re absolutely ” right on the money “… Bob.

            Yes, they had to make a number of early decisions on some players….
            Kemp will always come to mind first since he was so popular…

            No doubt there are still others on which to make decisions…
            And, yes…. it’s an ‘on-going’ process…
            They’ll reach a point where they’re only adding the contracts that they personally feel good about… And, that’s just fine.

            The ‘million-dollar question’ is…How good are their powers of evaluation?
            Only time will tell, I suppose…. Let’s enjoy the ride… 🙂

          • package206

            Yeah, there are just a few more players left of the starting lineup of 2014. All the infield except AGon. The catcher. The Center Fielder, so I guess there are 3 left. Just 2 Starters left. The FO really lets them go.

  • package206

    Well, another pickup for the FO. Alex Anthopoulos has apparently joined the FO team. Although he has a very good reputation I wonder what his function will be. We now have a state of the art FO and I am waiting for that kind of team.

    • Howard Fox

      It is called service. One FO member for each member of the team.

      • package206

        hahaha

    • Bob_Hendley

      Before we had an FO full of Ned’s old buddies serving as special assistants. We probably need all the brain power we can get at this point in resolving the issue of reducing costs yet maintaining competitiveness. Every dollar we spend above $189 million is going to cost us half as much again in luxury tax. Coming in, I guessed that the ownership might allow something a bit under $250 million. We are currently at $222 million. (I know, it’s not my money)

      • package206

        I guess if the Dodgers spend less than 189 mil and the team is not competitive then all that happened was the business made more money. Good for them but not too good for us.

        • WBBsAs

          It’s been so long since the Dodgers have been “competitive.”

          • package206

            Its been 28 years since the Dodgers appeared in a World Series and every other team in the NL west has appeared at least once. The Giants have 3 WS championships in 5 years. Didn’t know if you remembered that?

          • WBBsAs

            When you try changing horses in the middle of the stream, you fall off.

          • package206

            28 years is enough time to cross several streams.

          • WBBsAs

            That’s how many times you’ve fallen off, then…

        • Bob_Hendley

          They are already spending over $189 million. The thing is that when they are bidding with another team for the services of a FA at this point they face a 50% tax.

      • package206

        Love to know what the difference is in salaries, benefits and perks between Ned’s FO and Friedman’s FO? Bet it is huge.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Probably a pretty penny. Then, again, it’s one of the few industries where “workers” make more than “management”.

          • package206

            That may change with this FO.

  • package206

    Don’t know what it means yet but the Dodgers have found a medical problem with Madea’s shoulder and elbow. Don;t you just love it?

    • Howard Fox

      Don’t know that the deal is finalized and signed. If there is a medical issue, then either they renegotiate or it doesn’t happen? That will be twice this off season this has happened.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Happened last season, but only the other way around.

        • Howard Fox

          Iwakawa was this year, no?

          • Bob_Hendley

            Matty.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Something I came across, which I had not seen in the stories on Maeda is that his salary in Japan in 2015 was $2.5 million. Hiroki and Matsuzaka both make around $3.3 million. Top was a fellow named Abe, who makes $4.3 million.

    • package206

      Maybe we need Abe??

      • WBBsAs

        Maybe the Dodgers just raise every player’s salary to Kershaw’s level, and they will never lose another game.

        • package206

          They don’t guarantee a championship but a better chance.

          • WBBsAs

            In 2015, the World Series participants were the Royals (16th in payroll) and the Mets (21st). Of the top nine payroll teams, only the Dodgers and Yanquis (wild card, out in one) made the playoffs. Your need to rethink your “analysis.”

          • package206

            I can’t equate payroll to impact players when the Dodgers spent almost 90 mil on players that were not on the payroll. Impact players were obtained by both the Royals and Mets down the stretch.

          • WBBsAs

            You keep changing your explanations. At some point you should try to be consistent.

          • package206

            Sorry I felt by mentioning high salary you meant impact players. Your play on words fooled me.

          • WBBsAs

            By mentioning Abe, you suggested an aging but higher-salaried position player was superior to a pitcher the Dodgers need.

          • package206

            Sorry I mentioned Abe out of jest, not fact. I will refrain from making what I think is a joke.

          • WBBsAs

            You appear to be easily foold.

      • Bob_Hendley

        36 year old catcher/infielder

  • Howard Fox

    Finally, an impact signing…Brian Beachy has been signed.

    • Weisman confirms.

      Finally our national nightmare is over!

      • WBBsAs

        Package exults!

        • package206

          Guess I was too impatient for the FO to sign an impact player.

          • WBBsAs

            But you got what you wanted!

          • package206

            I hope you are not referring to a broken down Beachy because I never wanted that bum.

          • WBBsAs

            You continue to suffer from irony deficiency.

          • package206

            WBB, I will try and tell you exactly what I mean before I answer any more of your comments, I can see that light kidding cannot be used. I am sure you truly know all of my positions and to skew them with my words of jest won’t be acceptable to you.

          • WBBsAs

            You never seem to get the joke, even when you’re it (or especially when you’re it).

          • Howard Fox

            you may think he’s a bum, but he’s my bum!

          • package206

            Sorry, didn’t know he was your boy. I just don’t think he can return to his former self.

          • Howard Fox

            former self….you mean he was someone else before?

          • package206

            No, I meant he has been known to pitch pretty well with the Braves.

          • Howard Fox

            you really answered my comment? I mean, really? everyone takes every comment so seriously..

          • package206

            Brandon Beachy is who has always been as a person. As a pitcher he pitched pretty well while with Atlanta. I do not think he can overcome his injuries however. I apologize for calling your player a bum. Did I answer to your satisfactioin?

          • Howard Fox

            Package please, lighten up.

          • package206

            Well, I still think the Dodgers can do better than Beachy.

          • Howard Fox

            Fair enough.

          • WBBsAs

            Probably they can’t. Beachy is low-risk depth with high upside. If he makes a comeback, great; if he doesn’t, it doesn’t much matter.

          • package206

            Does that make them good or lucky?.

          • WBBsAs

            It makes them far-sighted and thoughtful.

          • package206

            I think you should give that some more thought. It sounds like you may have been a bit sleepy or something when you said that.

          • WBBsAs

            I think you should give something – anything – some more thought. There’s a first time for everything.

          • package206

            Listen, if you had been kicked around as much as I have, you wouldn’t know what people mean either.

          • Bob_Hendley

            I thought he had TJ surgery. Plenty of pitchers come back from that, or am I wrong about the injury?

          • package206

            I think he has had it twice. Not sure.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Recall that Kuo had two TJs and came back, before he caught the Steve Sax thing.

          • package206

            It would be nice if Beachy were to come back strong. He was a good pitcher for the Braves. I saw him pitch a time or two. He got hurt at a pretty young age I think and he really has not put that many innings on his arm. Maybe 300 or so I think without looking it up. Who knows, maybe the Dodgers will have a stroke of good fortune.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Yep, only 275 innings. Had the feeling that he was probably called up last year a little sooner than the Dodgers might have wanted because of the starter situation.

      • package206

        WOW! I was worried that we wouldn’t get an impact pitcher!!

    • package206

      I’m not going there.

  • Howard Fox

    so, will Piazza wear a Dodger cap, or a Met cap….

    • package206

      Mets

    • Bob_Hendley

      Up to the HOF. Would imagine Mets (He says, apparently, Mets cap or nothing).

      • Howard Fox

        I guess this is a job for Tommy…..

        • package206

          Guess there is no Dodger Blue in his veins.

          • Howard Fox

            no, just other stuff, if you believe the rumors of peds

          • package206

            I do.

          • WBBsAs

            You believe many things for which there is no evidence.

          • Bob_Hendley

            I would have hoped that your strong stance against those that have actually been sanctioned and served their time would demand from you higher levels of proof before passing judgement against those suspected.

          • package206

            Which players are you referring? Bonds? Clemens? If so, I think there is enough evidence to keep them out of the hall.

          • foul tip

            Not trying to speak for Bob, but it’s been long enough that he may have missed your question.

            To me it’s pretty clear he was referring to your frequent negative comments about Grandal and his drug issues.

          • package206

            Oh, well, I am not in favor of any player where drug evidence is available should make the HOF. Grandal will never be good enough to be considered, with or without PEDs.

          • WBBsAs

            You’re avoiding the question again.

          • package206

            Apparently I don’t understand what question that you want answered. If you will ask a specific question I will answer it I am not avoiding any question about drugs. I have tried to answer and it is not good enough for you. Make it plain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • package206

            Bob please make your question specific as I don’t understand what you are asking??????????????????

          • WBBsAs

            From the available evidence, it appears nearly impossible to explain any question to the point that you might understand it.

          • package206

            You do not know how to give an explanation. Maybe they didn’t teach that where you went to school. Doesn’t matter, if they told you, you wouldn’t have known how to do it. You are smart as a bag of rocks.

          • WBBsAs

            You are a master of the non sequitur, however.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Sorry, Package hadn’t seen this. It’s a comment. I don’t have any specific question to ask you.

          • package206

            Bob, I will answer any question I can for you in the future. Some want to attack, attack, attack. I just do not understand why some folks want to do that?

      • Howard Fox

        He is saying he will announce which cap today.

        • Bob_Hendley

          HOF is supposed to take player’s wishes into account (they put their foot down when Boggs wanted TB instead of Bosox). No cap is not an option, though no logo is (Maddux for example).

          • package206

            They are saying on MLB Radio that they might show him on the plaque with his hat backwards as catchers used to wear them. No Logo showing.

  • Bob_Hendley

    David Hood over at True Blue is high on this up and coming 2nd baseman. http://www.truebluela.com/2016/1/5/10719262/willie-calhoun-profile-dodgers-top-prospects-2016/in/9498153

    • JonnyTAFKAJ

      Is it me, or did anybody else here take one look at the picture of this kid hitting and think…. He kinda looks like a young Tony Gwynn? : -) – Hey, I’d take that @ 2B !

      • JonnyTAFKAJ

        Just checked out the attached video ….
        ….
        1. Nice, balanced swing…. with what looks like good pop.
        Looks ‘light on his feet’ while in the box… And, for a smaller 2B, that’s essential…. IMHO.
        2. Conversely, in the field…..
        a. needs to get to a spot sooner and field the ball on more solid footing…
        b. much-too-long, sweeping sidearm motion when throwing to 1B or 2B.
        If not fixed, that will cost outs, runs, and ultimately…. games.

  • package206

    Audit, where are you? Come out and bring your footprint with you.

  • Kershaw and Ellis road trip to Lambeau Field to watch the Cowboys play the Packers.

    • WBBsAs

      Is that handegg or hockery?

  • WBBsAs

    Piazza should have been a first-year HOF choice, and should go in as a Dodger, where he spent his best years. That said, the Fox slimeballs (a redundant phrase, I admit) treated him miserably, going over Fred Claire’s head.

  • Who are the most underappreciated Dodgers? Howard Cole makes his picks. I can’t argue against any of them very hard.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Nice column. Gomer was a fav, even though I hated the Hondo trade. Apart from winning game 3 in 65, he almost pulled off the same trick in 66, giving up 3 hits in 7 inning, but one was Paul Blair’s dinger and the Dodgers lost 1-0. Buzzie’s sister was nice enough to say that he earned his nickname at home because he was always buzzing around the house. I would guess, however, it was because she had to constantly tell him to buzz off. I, for one, never underappreciated 3-Dog.

      • WBBsAs

        The only time I was Willie D live, he was playing with Spokane in Tacoma. I once sat on a plane from Spokane to Seattle in the presence of Peter O’Malley.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Maeda now officially in the fold.

  • Audit
    • package206

      Audit, my man!

    • package206

      Yeah, he had 8 abs with the Dodgers. Guess they didn’t think he was interesting enough.

    • Bob_Hendley

      As Brisbee says, a good player when healthy. Likely to cause us some nightmares, but has slowed in recent years on defense.

  • Audit
    • WBBsAs

      Reassuring to see the Gnats sign another declining player.

    • Bob_Hendley

      As Brisbee says, a good player when healthy. Will likely give us some nightmares, but defense has been declining. They didn’t go for the big stick (Upton, Cespedes).

      • WBBsAs

        Hopefully they play Pagán as much as possible, ideally in CF.

        • package206

          Why WBB, you aren’t worried about the Giants, are you?

          • WBBsAs

            The more Pagán plays, the worse the Gnats will be. Ideally, just bad enough that their top draft pick is unprotected.

  • Maeda seems to be happy to be a Dodger. He’s got a loosening-up exercise that’s interesting. He also tried to imitate Nomo’s tornado windup when Maeda was 7 years old.

    • WBBsAs

      The contract turns out to be extremely team-friendly: Maeda has big incentives, but relatively little guaranteed money.

  • SI’s Jay Jaffe on the Dodgers’ rotation after the signing of Maeda and Kazmir.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Saxon with a revisionist view of the NL West and pitching depth. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14520815/bold-predictions-2016-national-league

    • foul tip

      Key observation from this:

      “It will be another lesson that pulling off a few shrewd moves is usually
      wiser than trying to buy your core via free agency. The Dodgers remain
      the class of the NL West. — Mark Saxon”

    • WBBsAs

      An “informed view” would probably be more accurate, though I think he overrates the Gnats and underrates the Snakes.

  • Audit
    • WBBsAs

      Guerrero’s probably better than he showed the second half, but he doesn’t have a position. Another blunder by the Neddies.

  • package206

    Wonder if the Dodgers will retire Mike Piazza’s number 31? Currently worn by no other than the Dodgers own Joc Pederson. I think Joc should keep his number.

    • Howard Fox

      As great as Piazza was, he was not with us that long. I would vote no, and let Joc keep it.

      • package206

        There is an article on http://www.truebluela.com on this subject if you care to read.

      • WBBsAs

        Piazza had his finest years as a Dodger. Though he never should have left, that was not his fault, and he deserves to be acknowledged as one of the franchise’s finest players ever. Retire his number.

        • package206

          The Dodgers can’t take away the number of a player that some folks say is a player who has unlimited potential and give it to a guy who does not want to be a Dodger in the HOF.

          • WBBsAs

            As usual, you’re wrong. Piazza deserves it, and Joc will thrive no matter his number.

          • package206

            I know but you love Joc so

    • HLKLA

      I would like him to apologize to Vin first.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Writers starting to rethink just handing the NL West to giants or Snakes after high profile FA signings. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/161491822/who-is-the-best-of-the-nl-west-in-2016

    • And they say the Dodgers are the deepest, which was one of the front office’s goals.

    • WBBsAs

      This link is “not valid,” Hendley.

      • package206

        Can’t you just go to mlb.com? That’s what I did and it worked great. Maybe, Bob can explain it to you.

        • WBBsAs

          Identifying broken links is a courtesy, something you wouldn’t understand.

          • package206

            You don’t know what the word courtesy means and you sure don’t practice it.

          • WBBsAs

            You need to look at the mirror when you say that.

          • package206

            You definitely need to look in mirror more often and try to find meaning in your life. It is sad.

          • WBBsAs

            The saddest thing around is your ignorant denialism.

          • package206

            And yours is the inability to acknowledge something bigger than you.

          • WBBsAs

            Well, I’ll acknowledge that Fowler is six inches taller than I am, while Joc is only three inches taller.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Oops. Just flew into Amsterdam and wasn’t able to fix.

  • Audit
    • Bob_Hendley

      Love Uribear, but seems like infield utility is Herrera’s to lose at this point based on current options. Urbe hasn’t played 2nd in eons. Even further back, can still recall when he was an SS and part of a heft lefty side of the giants infield together with Panda. I am sure that Juan Castro can find time to counsel Seager together with Woodward. Not sure what the market is for him. Perhaps he can be an NRI.

      • Audit

        The people who wrote the article liked the idea. I try not to think about players too much because I have given up trying to guess where FO will go…

        • Bob_Hendley

          Well, I am guessing that if they didn’t like the idea they wouldn’t have written the article.

          • Of course, they also thought Torreyes might be a possibility, and he was DFAed within two days.

  • Audit

    How about Dexter Fowler? Switch-hitter, capable of stealing bases and playing centerfield, can be had for probably $10MM a year. Would be a worthwhile addition and would free up every other outfielder for trade purposes if need be.

    • Bob_Hendley

      We could do worse, but doubt that the FO is willing to eat CC’s contract just yet.

    • WBBsAs

      Fowler is a good fourth outfielder, not worth that kind of money.

      • package206

        Based on what?

        • WBBsAs

          Based on the fact that he’s a mediocrity, a substandard OFer whose best offensive years were in Denver. He’s never been an “impact player.”

          • package206

            Neither has Joc.

          • WBBsAs

            Joc has indeed been an “impact player.” He’s also a very young one with a high ceiling, who is likely to return to that level. Now in his mediocre prime, Fowler will soon enter his decline stage.

          • package206

            A .210 BA, 170SO, and 54 RBIs do not qualify as an impact player even if your peanut brain cannot comprehend it. Just standing out in CF waiting on a fly ball is not good enough.

          • WBBsAs

            If my brain is a peanut, yours must be a sunflower seed.

          • package206

            One thing for sure, If Joc doesn’t perform this year, I won’t be the only one complaining about his performance . Don’t worry, I am not talking about you because you would think he was a superstar if he never got off the bench.

          • WBBsAs

            Even if that’s the case, it doesn’t increase your brain size.

          • John_from_Aus

            This banter reminds me of high school 🙂

          • WBBsAs

            Unfortunately, the only level on which to engage Package.

          • Audit

            Why is it necessary to engage him?

          • WBBsAs

            We shouldn’t abandon him. As challenging as it may be, we should try to help him.

          • Audit

            By kicking him? You’re doing the abuse for his own good? Did I miss the “This’ll hurt me more than it hurts you” line? Like most of us, he’s happy the way he is and nobody has the right to change him. Your psychological problems are far worse than his. Or mine. I feel sorry for you but that doesn’t give you the right to hurt people.

          • WBBsAs

            Until he learns he’s hit bottom, he’ll never find his way up.

          • package206

            I just love your wording, “Young Player”, “High Ceiling”, “Good Chance”. So far he has accomplished nothing but you view him as a superstar. Just shows how good your credibility has been.

          • WBBsAs

            The more you say, the wronger you get. Joc was one reason the Dodgers got off to a strong start last year, and won the division easily.

          • Bumsrap

            Not true, he was for several months.

          • package206

            Joc batted .298 in April, .236 in May, .222 in June and the rest of the season it was less than .200 ending at .210 for the year. You might say April he was an impact player but the rest of the time he was far from it.

    • package206

      He can play centerfield. We got us a winner. How soon can we get it done?

      • WBBsAs

        So, a career .250 hitter who’s a substandard centerfielder is your idea of an “impact player.”

        • package206

          Solid player, maybe not impact but much better than Joc.

          • WBBsAs

            Joc is an elite OFer with high OBP and power. Joc’s Steamer projections for 2016 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11899&position=OF) are significantly better than Fowler’s (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4062&position=OF).

          • package206

            If you base your case on projections you can say anything. The truth is that Joc’s performance so far has been miserable. So you go right ahead and wish pie in the sky.

          • WBBsAs

            Joc’s stats last year were also better than Fowler’s – if just one time you could see beyond the most simplistic explanation.

          • package206

            Perhaps you should also do that with players that you don’t like? You only see it if you like the player. For instance, you know that Joc’s stats were not better than Fowler’s but you insist on stating that Joc’s are better. Not projections, real life stats.

          • WBBsAs

            Actually, Joc’s numbers were better except at the most superficial level. But it’s OK – we’ve grown to accept your inability to be coherent and consistent.

  • Audit
    • WBBsAs

      No, he won’t. It doesn’t trash the front office sufficiently.

      • package206

        Yeah, I would have hit them a bit harder but the article is certainly on the right track.

    • package206

      It was certainly reasonable article and I think he is right about some of the thinking by Dodger fans.

      • WBBsAs

        It’s reasonable when he makes comments such as “First, the Dodgers farm system is as strong as it has been in years. Friedman and Zaidi refused to part with Joc Pederson, Corey Seager or Julio Urias for a short-term boost last season, and the Dodgers have an extremely deep corps of pitchers in the minors that will either boost the team in this and future seasons, or be valuable trade chips later the line when the price is right.” He’s also right about the idiocy of fans who expect a World Series championship every year just because of a high payroll.

        • package206

          You are good at selecting only the portions you agree with. It is OK though because you are not too smart.

          • WBBsAs

            You’re staring at the mirror again.

  • Audit

    Anybody here got Powerball Tickets? $1.3 BILLION Wednesday PM!!!!

    • WBBsAs

      Pull out all your savings, and take out a second mortgage to improve your odds of winning.

      • Audit

        Why don’t you grow up and quit playing the schoolyard bully? You would have been kicked off any other blog long ago.

    • package206

      Yea, I got a couple of tickets. You can’t win if you don’t enter

      • Audit

        I drove down to Shoshone (CA) 8 AM to get some but there was already two or three hundred people in line. I couldn’t see standing in line three hours or probably more, so I bailed.

        • package206

          So many places sell them here in S.C. that there is no wait at all.

          • Audit

            The gambling interests here in Nevada keep the Lotteries out. You know the drill, a few bucks to the state legislators to vote against lotteries. Side effect, it keeps the state from collecting millions in ticket sales. Fortunately, or otherwise, I live in a small town 60 miles NW of Las Vegas, near the edge of Death Valley, so it’s only a 30 mile drive to Shoshone in California, population about 100 or so, and one market with Lottery machine. (And $5 a gallon gas…) Whenever the Lottery Jackpot gets out of hand, like now, everybody for miles around drives to the closest Lottery machine. That little store sells tickets continuously from 5 AM to 10 PM when the feeding frenzy is in effect.

          • WBBsAs

            People who play the lottery are not necessarily illiterate, but they’re certainly innumerate.

          • WBBsAs

            Obviously, South Carolina has truly savvy investors.

          • package206

            You are definitely a classy guy. You even run a whole state down. You hate me so you run the whole state down. Classy WBB, classy.

          • WBBsAs

            I do not hate you. I may pity you, but your investment decisions are your own responsibility.

  • Audit
  • A decision in this court case might spell the end of exclusive blackout regions for MLB teams, which would make Hawai’i baseball fans like me happy.

    • package206

      Would that make you see Joc more often?? That would be a good thing.

      • WBBsAs

        The more we see of Joc, the better things will be for the Dodgers.

      • HLKLA

        I live in Iowa and three major league teams claim we are in their viewing area (Cubs, Twins and Royals) so we get stuck with watching teams we have no local interest in.

  • Audit

    https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/686923998026797057
    Make that $60MM with the 100% tax penalty…

  • package206

    Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reporting that the Dodgers signed Sierra for 6 years.

    • WBBsAs

      We have yet another “impact player!”

      • package206

        He is not an impact player until he does something impactful.

        • WBBsAs

          If this were a handegg game, you’d be moving the goal posts at every opportunity.

          • package206

            No they have always been in the same place.

          • WBBsAs

            Maybe you say they’re in the same place, but your hallucinations would suggest otherwise.

  • Audit
    • WBBsAs

      Oh no! The Dodgers have lost another impact player!

      • Audit

        Another appropriate avatar for you:

        • package206

          Where did you get that picture of WBB?

          • Audit

            Near a pile of coyote ____ in my back yard.

          • WBBsAs

            We don’t need to know your lunch habits that intimately.

  • Audit

    Just background on a couple of recent Dodger moves. They seem to be trading prospects on their 40 man roster for non-roster players from other clubs. That speaks well for the overall strength of the farm system. As we sign players, we are forced to trade or lose players from the 40 man to make room for them. I guess the word is upgrading.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/yankees-tyler-olson-ronald-torreyes-trade-dodgers.html

    • package206

      The question is whether they ever get anyone who can pitch.

      • Kazmir can’t pitch? Maeda can’t pitch?

        • package206

          Guess we will find out.

  • WBBsAs

    For all the Powerball investors: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/us/powerball-odds.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone

    Your chances of getting struck by lightning are 246 times greater than the probability of your winning the jackpot. If you buy up all the tickets to ensure a victory, you’ll still lose because of tax liabilities.

    • Audit

      That goes without saying. Only one third of the money taken in is paid out in prizes. This $1.5 Billion drawing tomorrow night represents about $4.5 Billion in ticket sales. But if I put in $10 and win $20, I am ahead of the game.

      • WBBsAs

        For $10, you can get a really good bottle of Argentine wine and be much farther ahead of the game.

        • Audit

          I assume you are fortunate enough to take wealth for granted. The vast majority of (us) lottery ticket buyers are not so fortunate. We would gladly forego that $30 worth of wine for a chance, granted a very small chance, to win enough money to remove financial considerations from our problem list for the rest of our lives. No job worries. Being in a position to see that our children and grandchildren will be financially secure. For that I will gladly forego wine, whiskey, beer and even some food. I will be better off without them, whether I win or not.

          • package206

            I doubt he is too wealthy buying $10 dollar wine and riding a bike.

          • Howard Fox

            or he is just being frugal

          • package206

            Some may call it frugal.

          • WBBsAs

            There are excellent Malbecs for even less than that. They’re impact wines.

          • WBBsAs

            Lotteries are a scam. Wine is not.

        • Audit

          You really think liquor stores in really small towns in the desert stock $10 Argentine wine? Now who has delusions?

        • Audit

          With a $2 (or even $1) lottery ticket, one can buy “hope”. It would cost a lot more than that to get it from alcohol or drugs…

    • foul tip

      Those wealthy enough to buy all possible combos didn’t get that kind of money by being dumb enough to do so.

      However, there are many folk who will buy a strictly limited amount of tickets just for fun, to see if lightning will strike or see if they can win anything at all. But no one should put money in a lottery they can’t afford to lose, because they will.

      In TN the lottery was sold on the idea that part of the proceeds would fund college scholarships–and it has done so, up into many millions. So some good comes of it.

      It’s unlikely voters in this conservative state ever would have voted to permit it without the educational benefit.

      • WBBsAs

        Tennessee is not exactly known its educational excellence.

        • Audit

          You left out the preposition “for”. But then, you’re so knowledgeable on everything else… Is there anyone you’ve neglected to insult lately?

        • foul tip

          Never claimed it was. There are some bright spots, but historically residents just have not valued education as they should. (Not sure how they value prepositions, however. ;-])

          Point was that the lottery is doing some good by funding scholarships and making it possible for deserving students to have a chance at college. Otherwise many couldn’t even begin to afford it.

          • WBBsAs

            Tennessee’s educational profile hasn’t changed much since it hosted the Scopes trial.

    • Audit

      This from the NY Times article WBB referenced:

      Many lottery players rationally know they won’t hit the jackpot but still seek an escape from their day-to-day life, said Joan DiFuria, a co-founder of the Money, Meaning & Choices Institute, a wealth counseling organization.

      “Of course it doesn’t make sense, but there’s a lot of good things you get out of that $2 that you can’t buy anywhere else,” she said.

      If you’d like the thrill of not winning without actually spending money, The Los Angeles Times has a Powerball simulator. You’ll lose that too.

      • Hawai’i is not a participant in Powerball (or any other form of gambling), but I’d buy a ticket or two just for the conversational fodder. “Missed it by THAT much,” I’d say around the water cooler the following day.

        I once picked up a copy of the newly released Harry Potter book at midnight just to be part of the crowd and the fun.

  • Bob_Hendley
  • WinnipegDave

    Do you guys see any of the Dodger players getting all the way to arbitration? It obviously hasn’t happened in a while, and hopefully won’t happen this year considering how nasty the process can apparently be.
    Here’s to quick settlements for Jansen, Turner, Grandal and the others.

  • foul tip

    Mike P on FanGraphs ranking the Dodgers No.3 in all of baseball for 2016:

    http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/01/13/the-dodgers-rank-highly-in-the-2016-projections/

  • WBBsAs

    Powerball Climbs To $1.5 Billion https://t.co/90AqWtaCw4 #WhatDoYouThink? pic.twitter.com/yudmAbBQQe— The Onion (@TheOnion) January 13, 2016

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