ALDS Games Four, NLDS Games Three, 2015

Early AL game: Royals at Astros, 10:00AM PT, TV: FS1

The Astros have a 2-1 lead and send rookie Lance McCullers out to try to win the series. The Royals send first-game (but only two innings thanks to rain) starter Yordano Ventura out to keep the Astros from doing that.

Late AL Game: Blue Jays at Rangers, 1:00PM PT, TV: FS1

The Rangers lead the series 2-1 and hope to win at home. They’ll send out Derek Holland, who’s been in 13 post-season games in his career. He and the Rangers will face R.A. Dickey and his knuckleball. This will be Dickey’s first postseason start.

Early NL Game: Cardinals at Cubs 3:00PM PT, TV: TBS

The series is tied 1-1. The Cubs like their chances in this game, and who wouldn’t? They send All Second-Half pitcher Jake Arrieta to the mound to face the Cardinals, who counter with Michael Wacha.

Late NL Game: Dodgers at Mets, 5:30PM PT, TV: TBS

First, I think this game is going to start on TNT rather than TBS unless the Cubs-Cards game is a blowout; I don’t believe the first game will come in under 2 1/2 hours as it would have to for there to be a seamless switch at 5:30PM PT.

Second, Utley. The latest word is that his appeal is “unlikely to be heard today.”

Utley’s representatives and the Major League Baseball Players’ Association asked for time to prepare their case, which would make Utley eligible to play until a hearing takes place.

Now, the game itself. The Dodgers send Brett Anderson to the hill in his second postseason appearance (2012 for the As), while the Mets send Matt Harvey and his “will he or won’t he throw more than 180 innings this year?” controversy (he wound up throwing 189 1/3 in the regular season) to the mound. Anderson was the best ground-ball pitcher in the big leagues this year, inducing them at a 66.3% rate. Harvey was 8-3 with a 2.23 ERA at home, far better than he was on the road.

This will be the first postseason game ever played at Citi Field; all previous Mets’ appearances were at Shea Stadium.

Lineup when available.

What? No Utley?

Also:

  • WBBsAs

    Anderson’s a ground-ball pitcher, but the Mets are fly-ball hitters, and Anderson also led the Dodgers in HRs allowed.

  • WBBsAs

    I don’t want to see a World Series in Texas, and I don’t want to see one on artificial turf. Things are looking bad.

    • “Love and marriage, love and marriage
      Go together like a horse and carriage
      This I tell you brother
      You can’t have one without the other.”

      In these circumstances, you get one OR the other. Jays lead the Rangers, Royals are rallying at the Astros.

      • Audit

        Punch his T S Card.

      • WBBsAs

        Things are looking a bit better at the moment.

        • WinnipegDave

          Looks like cream rising to the top in the AL.

    • WinnipegDave

      Just curious – I get the no love for artificial turf but why the disapproval of Texas baseball?

      • Audit

        Why ask? He has more hates than Carter has Liver Pills…

        • WinnipegDave

          I was just so curious.

      • WBBsAs

        Texas has great music but is otherwise reprehensible.

        • WBBsAs

          Here’s a good example, from one of the state’s single most disgusting individuals:

          • WinnipegDave

            Whoops. Have fun with that one Governor.

        • WinnipegDave

          Ha. Tell that to Clayton Kershaw. I’m guessing he will disagree somewhat. But hey – I asked and you answered. Thanks!

        • Bumsrap

          Except for Austin.

          • WBBsAs

            Austin is the music capital, but there’s good sounds most everywhere.

          • Bumsrap

            Austin separates itself from the rest of Texas in many good ways.

  • Royals have tied up the game in Houston, 6-6.

  • package206

    Lineup for today

    Kendrick 2B
    Rollins SS
    Agon 1B
    Turner 3B
    Ethier RF
    Crawford LF
    Grandal C
    Hernandez CF
    Anderson P 10-9 3.69

    Lineup courtesy Rotowire

  • WinnipegDave

    Crazy stuff in Houston. KC’s Gore steals second and then tries to steal third. Called safe by the ump but then overturned by replay. It looked like his foot left the bag but there are three things that I wondered about:
    1. Was his whole foot off the bag? It looked like it might have been but no replay they showed had a picture of the whole shoe and cleats. Perhaps part was still on that wasn’t seen from the replay angles.
    2. Was the fielders glove on Gore at the exact same time as the foot was in the air? From the frame by frame shots, it looked like his wrist and not his glove was touching at that moment.
    3. Did the third baseman push Gore off the bag? Valbeuna was indeed falling into Gore and it may have been that his momentum pushed him off the bag. Should that be factored into consideration?

    All of this to say, once again – replay has opened Pandora’s box where the letter of the law is observed down to the smallest possible degree. Which is fine if that’s what we as fans want. And it played into the Dodgers’ favour yesterday that’s for sure. But is it that kind of perfection of calls that we really want? Replays work best in conjunction within the frame work of the rules and not above it.

    Rant done.

  • WBBsAs

    Today’s the kind of day you really wish Vin were around, to keep the focus on the field.

  • package206

    Eric Hosmer makes it 9-6, Royals in the 9th.

  • package206

    Guess Donnie didn’t want to risk Seager with the Mets tonight or maybe he just wanted to give Rollins an opportunity this evening?

    • Rollins has also faced Harvey 19 times and gotten 2 HRs and 4 RBIs.

      • package206

        Guess that is the answer, Link.

        • Yeah, but on the other side of things, Utley has a .333 average against Harvey, whereas Howie is at .167. On the other other side, Harvey has hit Utley more times (3) than anyone else he’s ever faced.

          It’s probably the better part of valor to start Howie.

          • package206

            On the other hand, wouldn’t it make sense to start Utley and as Audit said “Zero Tolerance” might cause the Mets to lose Harvey?

          • Audit

            Also, they’ll likely have the appeal hearing tomorrow and we’ll lose Utley tomorrow night. But who is going to play well on any given day is a crap shoot.

          • WBBsAs

            Don’t count on that. The union has something to say about it.

      • WBBsAs

        Mets pitchers have also overpowered Seager so far.

        • Bumsrap

          Don’t forget Crawford. He has been overpowered as well but he is still in. I would rather have Kike’ in LF and Pederson in CF and Ellis at catcher. I’m okay with Seager on the bench.

          • package206

            Agree with Ellis.

    • Audit

      The umps are going to put a quick end to any rough stuff, Zero Tolerance tonight.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Clayton announced for game four.

    • Bumsrap

      Frees Wood to relieve Anderson tonight. Saves short relievers to finish game 4. Might work.

    • Audit

      I hope he doesn’t hurt himself. You know he’s going to put 1000% effort into that game. Keep all of our fingers crossed!

  • Hmm. The Jays just brought David Price in to relieve Dickey in the fifth inning. There was no jam, no crisis, and Dickey’s a knuckleballer so his velocity wasn’t dropping. I wonder why they did that. It means they can’t use Price in Game Five, which is looking like a certainty.

    • WBBsAs

      It makes no sense.

      • Audit

        The sort of decision you get when you hire old ballplayers as managers. Teams would be better served by selecting managers from IQ test results. But those guys probably don’t want the job…

  • package206

    Tonight might have been a good night to try Puig. He has 3 hits in only 5abs against Harvey, one was a double and he also has a walk. Plus the team could have an advantage with his arm in right and Either in left. Just a thought.

  • package206

    It is now 8-4 Blue Jays with Price now being lifted.

  • WBBsAs

    Arrieta is not invincible. Today, at least.

  • package206

    Cubs lose Addison Russell to an apparent hand or finger injury on slide into 3rd base. He has left the game.

    • WBBsAs

      Foolish play with two out.

      • package206

        Those head first slides sometime really do damage too.

        • WBBsAs

          I would never slide head-first, except going back into a base.

  • package206

    The Met fans really let Utley have it when he was introduced. I wouldn’t have expected anything less.

    • WBBsAs

      Booing is understandable. Anything more would be excessive.

  • WinnipegDave

    What the Sam Hill is going on in NY to start the game?

    • package206

      They haven’t said yet.

      • Still don’t know yet in the booth. If they knew, they’d talk it to death. I don’t like this crew at all.

        • WBBsAs

          I have the volume on absolute minimum. The LA audio feed is not available as an MLBTV overlay tonight. Not that Steiner would be any better.

        • RBI

          I feel the same.

  • WBBsAs
    • WinnipegDave

      Thanks WBB.

    • All would be right in the world if the Dodgers had scored 12 runs in the first inning.

  • RBI

    Granderson is such a tough out.

  • RBI

    I am so hoping Anderson avoids the long ball tonight.

  • foul tip

    OK, Brett Anderson. On top of everything else going on, keep in mind that… Zack… Greinke… is……WATCHING….you

  • RBI

    Umm, that ball was a strike, Ump.

  • WinnipegDave

    Red Thunder coming up! Let’s go Turner.

    • RBI

      Yes! Single!

  • package206

    Atta Boy, Dre!!

  • RBI

    Nice swing, Ethier!

  • WinnipegDave

    OK now! Keep it going CC.

    • RBI

      He heard you!

  • Bumsrap

    Who says the Dodgers have to have a home run to rally?

    • RBI

      Okay, Yaz. Time to shine!!!!

      • Bob_Hendley

        Yaz, I like it.

    • WinnipegDave

      Although I would take one right here right now.

      • RBI

        Or that.

  • RBI

    Yeah!!!!!!!

  • Bumsrap

    Three run roller through the infield.

    • WBBsAs

      It was a hard-hit liner.

    • WinnipegDave

      holy roller.

  • WinnipegDave

    Oh doctor!!!

  • WBBsAs

    Duda just missed gloving that.

    • WinnipegDave

      Definitely had well placed hits this inning.

  • WinnipegDave

    Harvey threw too many innings in the regular season I guess.

  • Bumsrap

    Hardest hit ball winds up an out.

    • RBI

      He smoked that.

    • WinnipegDave

      Nice play by Wright. Although on replay I see it was right at him.

  • WinnipegDave

    I call Baseball Bingo on this tv crew using the phrase “shut down inning” when Anderson pitches.

    • WinnipegDave

      Bingo!

  • Okay, Brett, settle down. You’ve still got a two-run lead.

  • RBI

    Ruh roh.

  • package206

    Alright Mr. Anderson, take it easy.

  • WinnipegDave

    Need a ground ball double play.

    • RBI

      Oh, brother.

  • WBBsAs

    Dodgers Metsing this inning.

    • RBI

      If Jimmy had been faster with the Cespedes throw, different inning I think.

      • WBBsAs

        I agree. He was too casual.

  • RBI

    Kendrick and Rollins not exactly shining with their defense here.

  • RBI

    Nice throw, AGon.

  • RBI

    This sure has pushed the Utley Incident into the background.

    • WBBsAs

      That’s good, actually.

  • WinnipegDave

    Can we get out of this with only the 1 run against?

    • RBI

      Granderson is tough tough tough.

    • RBI

      Like I said.

    • Bumsrap

      Nope

  • Drat, drat, drat.

  • All the good feelings from the second inning runs completely washed away by this.

  • WinnipegDave

    No worries. No worries.

  • package206

    Is it just me or is Anderson up some with his pitches?

    • RBI

      He had three to work with, and gave up four. Not good.

      • package206

        I am afraid Anderson won’t be around long and I hope the bullpen is ready.

  • Bumsrap

    Bring in the Wood

  • RBI

    Still early, but that was a terrible inning by Anderson. Bottom half of the lineup.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Not good, but 7th hitter hit squibber to Howie, 8th hitter with force out and pitcher Ked. Just sayin’

      • RBI

        Yeah, Granderson’s the problem. I wish we had a lead off man like him.

        • WinnipegDave

          So you are saying CC is not matching Granderson?

          • RBI

            Yes, Winnipeg Dave. Sadly, I am.

  • WinnipegDave

    I actually still feel we can win this one. Keep the offense rolling.

    • package206

      Just one down.

      • WinnipegDave

        And perhaps I’m just a homer but I like our pen better than their pen.

  • WinnipegDave

    Tonight would be a great night for our first postseason HR.

    • RBI

      Right now, for instance.

  • package206

    Good Eye Agon!!

  • RBI

    Harvey isn’t exactly shining either.

    • WinnipegDave

      That’s why we still have a chance.

      • RBI

        Mets BP action.

        • WinnipegDave

          Colon and Neise.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Still have a chance!? (was it Yogi who said that it gets late early out here?)

    • package206

      Don’t think he will be around long either. The bullpen up right after a meeting at the mound?

  • RBI

    Shoot. Just tie it up here, okay guys?

  • WinnipegDave

    Come on Carl Crawford. Maybe typing his whole name will help.

    • package206

      Carl DeMonte Crawford did not get it done!

    • Bob_Hendley

      You forgot “Demonte”.

  • RBI

    Harvey is really struggling.

  • RBI

    Horrible swing at ball three, CC.

  • Had Harvey on the ropes and let him wriggle off. Carl, what kind of hit did you think that would produce?

    • RBI

      So frustrating.

      • Bumsrap

        Crawford has had many wild swings in this playoff series.

        • Audit

          Make that the last 5 or 6 years. He’s pathetic.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Never really been a great hitter. His OPS+ in three years with Dodgers is actually higher than it was in Tampa.

  • WinnipegDave

    Slugfest day today in the playoffs. 9-6, 8-6, 8-4 and…?

    • What’s the over?

      • WinnipegDave

        I don’t know but apparently first to 8 wins.

        • RBI

          Mets just got a lot closer to doing that.

          • WinnipegDave

            We will have to channel our inner Royals.

          • Or Cubs. I think they hit six home runs today.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        I heard a betting show on sports radio before the game — it was 6 1/2 and the analyst said definitely take the over — ‘neither starter has pitched in a while.’ He was proven accurate after the 2nd! (And I went to a buffet adjacent to a sports book — I should’ve listened to him and made a bet! . . . But I DID net $2.50 playing dime video poker.)

        • Audit

          I gambled when I lived in Vegas in the ’60s but I have not gambled even one nickel since I moved up her 12 years ago. I do drive down to California (27 miles) to buy lottery tickets every 2 or 3 months.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Vegas doesn’t have the lottery, so when there’s a big one, there are HUGE lines at Primm, NV (the stateline with CA).

          • Audit

            Shoshone is only 27 miles for me. They get big lines too. One general store/gas station that sells lottery tickets, a couple of sleazy motel and bars, that’s about all it is.

  • RBI

    Okay Brett. Better keep ’em sinking here.

  • Bob_Hendley

    No favors from the ump

    • Bumsrap

      Don’t need an umpire to call balls and strikes anyway. The pitchtrack can do it better

  • Anderson is done. Pull him.

  • Bumsrap

    Oops

  • RBI

    Violation, violation, violation!!!!!!

    • Grins.

      • WBBsAs

        Nothing to grin about here.

    • package206

      Yea, he threw that gopher ball before WE were ready!!

  • WinnipegDave

    Let’s keep Harvey’s pitch count climbing.

    • WBBsAs

      It’s getting up there, but they’ve gotta hit.

  • WinnipegDave

    Joc pinch hitting.

    • Bumsrap

      Joc still has a good eye

      • WinnipegDave

        Yes sir.

    • Bumsrap

      Will he stay in the #9 spot and if so, might Crawford sit?

      • Bob_Hendley

        Wish he had been in there for that one.

  • Come on Kendrick. Knock Joc in.

  • RBI

    Too many strike three swings at balls, guys!!!

    • Bumsrap

      Why can a rookie who has tons of swings and misses (Joc) not swing at bad pitches while veterans flail away at them?

  • “RISP? We forgot how to hit in those situations after the second inning,” say the Dodgers.

    • WinnipegDave

      Hasn’t there only been the 1 ab with RISP since then?

      • Gameday sez they’re 2-7 with RISP, but only one LOB.

  • Please stop the bleeding, Alex.

  • That’s not a good start.

  • WinnipegDave

    Walk him.

    • WinnipegDave

      Or get him to ground out to 3rd. Even better.

  • Bumsrap

    Kershaw looks like he is already getting his game face on for tomorrow.

    • WinnipegDave

      Well regardless of tonight’s outcome he knew he would be pitching.

  • WinnipegDave

    Thanks for not fielding that cleanly CC. Sheesh.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Doesn’t have the arm to get him in any event (not sure anyone has)

      • WBBsAs

        No, but he should be able to keep the runner at first.

    • package206

      Is Sheesh a violation?? Just kidding.

    • Bumsrap

      I prefer Pederson or Puig in the outfield, or both.

  • I didn’t expect Kershaw- or Greinke-like pitching from Anderson or Wood, but I expected better than this.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Ballgame — if it wasn’t already.

  • Oh dear. This is now embarrassing. “Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain” indeed.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      But the bats still need to show up for “Spahn and Sain”/Kersh & Zack.

  • package206

    Gee Whiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • RBI

    And that, my friends, is why you need a number three starter.

    • Well, we had one in Ryu, and we might have had one in McCarthy, but injuries intervened.

      • WBBsAs

        Both will be back next year, but we’ll see how they recover.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Sure would be great if Zack returns and the talk is building from there.

        • Might have Arroyo too.

          • WinnipegDave

            Ha!

        • Audit

          I hope Anderson isn’t back. Yeah, I know, he could have been worse, but even his wins take too much out of me. Give Zack a blank check and sign another good one.

      • package206

        We had a chance to get one.

        • RBI

          Not without giving up our youngsters.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Hopefully that decision turns out like it apparently has for the Cubs.
            Never thought I’d say it, but it must be great to be a Cubs fan these days, with their talent and their braintrust . . . the only negative is where they’re playing, division-wise.

          • package206

            Not sure how many and who are we?

        • WBBsAs

          If you wanted to surrender Seager, Urias and more, yes…

          • Bob_Hendley

            Wood gave us more than KC got out of Cueto.

          • package206

            I don’t remember reading or hearing about that offer. Perhaps you could direct on where I can find it.

  • WinnipegDave

    Okay. Admittedly I feel just a tad bit less confident about our chances tonight.

    • How do you feel about the Liberal Party’s chances in next week’s elections? 😉

      • WBBsAs

        Banned! Rule 5 violation!

      • WinnipegDave

        My best guess? Minority conservative government. But I will likely vote liberal in a NDP heavy riding.

  • NOW you strike somebody out, Wood.

  • Wood’s ERA: 36.00

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    No words to describe……
    …..
    Well, popular sentiment would have the Mets winning this one, however…..
    1. Rollins misplaying that ball that IMHO – Opened up that 2nd inning for the Mets, to me, was
    reminiscent of Furcal’s similar misplaying of a ball vs. Philly yrs. ago which opened things up
    for a big inning vs. Bills….
    2. Ryu? McCarthy? …. Well, I told my wife that either Anderson is going to pitch the game of
    his life, or it will be an absolute blowout…..
    3. Farhan has no idea how to put a ‘staff’ together…. Has there been anything good come of
    the trade with Atlanta at the deadline ?

    Rant over. At this point, I’m just worried about Vinny and want to know he’s ok. Haven’t heard
    much.

    • Maybe Peraza, and maybe Wood can get his act together. He’s young. Avilan has done a good job. Johnson’s been meh.

      • Audit

        A bullpen game would probably have been better than Anderson.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Wasn’t Wood first out of the bullpen?

          • Audit

            The sharks were in a feeding frenzy when the bullpen was unleashed. In the first inning, who knows? Result could be no worse. I’m sorry we wasted those runs.

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            Kersh hopes they get him 3 runs manana.

    • Bob_Hendley

      I suppose it could have been worse. We got more out of Wood than KC got out of Cueto.

      • WinnipegDave

        Who pitches in game 5 for KC. Yikes.

    • RBI

      I so agree with you about the Rollins misplay. That single woke up the stadium, and their bats.

  • WinnipegDave

    Perhaps we should have just given the Mets Utley and see if that would have appeased them.

  • What really frustrates me is that this is hardly good Harvey. He’s been hittable and generally not really sharp, yet we’ve given up a ton of runs and let him get away. If Matz isn’t good to go we might see de Grom tomorrow, which won’t be any fun at all, Kershaw or no Kershaw.

  • Bumsrap

    All the blogs are going to be full of “I told you so” comments about not trading for Hamels or Price etc.

    • scooplew

      And would they be so wrong?

      • They would be if they manage to forget that Seager and Urias were the principal players demanded in return.

        • package206

          We don’t know who was asked for.

          • RBI

            We kind of do, Package…

          • package206

            Where can I find that information?

          • WBBsAs

            By reading.

          • package206

            Didn’t say how, I said where.

          • Here, for one. And that was April.

          • package206

            That article does not show any sort of proposed trade. It is just an opinion of another blog writer.

          • What do you want, package?

            The general opinion around baseball, pro writers and bloggers and other front offices, was that the Dodgers didn’t want to trade those two prospects. We’ve all seen those statements all year long.

          • package206

            I want to win! 27 years is a long time. You act like we would have to have given up the entire farm for a top pitcher. Maybe we would have to given up one but I don’t believe all. The new regime does not want to obtain proven players or at least so far. This is Brave baseball management.

          • scooplew

            Package: You speak some truths there.

          • package206

            Thank you Scooplew for your understanding.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Certainly more Braves than Fillies or Yankees. Have to be careful in looking for quick fixes or you can undermine your team for years. Look how things turned out for the Padres.

          • WinnipegDave

            Love your passion Package. We all want to win. I wish we could have more control over that!

          • scooplew

            I simply don’t know what the answer is. Whether we’ve traded our prospects or kept our prospects, the bottom line is we haven’t been to the World Series since 1988. Based on his minor league stats and one month with the Dodgers, Seager definitely appears to be a keeper. Urias has some big steps before he reaches the big leagues. After a strong start this season, Pederson was clearly overmatched.

          • package206

            I agree wholeheartedly.

          • “Philly was said to have previously insisted on at least one of the
            Dodgers’ top-two prospects, who happened to be two of the very best in
            baseball — shortstop Corey Seager or young lefty Julio Urias — but at
            least now appears to be considering other possible Dodger scenarios,”
            writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. “Rivals all seem to agree that Seager and Urias are too good to trade…” Source, July 2015.

          • package206

            According to that article the Phils would have taken less than Seager and Urias. The Dodgers do not want to trade any prospects.

          • Bob_Hendley

            You certainly read want you want to read. They looked at other Dodger scenarios and in the end went with better offers from other teams.

          • package206

            Look, most of you folks do not want to give up anything for a proven top player. That being the case you will get what you get because that is whats happening. You have to give to get. This season is not over but so far I have not seen the great prospects perform except Seager so far. So it is working out the way you want it. Win or lose.

          • Bob_Hendley

            This is your way of conceding that you were wrong in suggesting that we could have gotten someone without giving up top prospects?

          • package206

            I never said you didn’t have to trade any prospects. I just don’t believe you would have had to give up Seager, Pederson and Urias for a pitcher.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Now it’s “a” pitcher, before it was Hamels. We were also discussing “top” prospects not “any” prospects.

          • package206

            OK, let it be Hamels. Yes, not all top prospects would have had to be traded to get Hamels in my opinion. It doesn’t matter what I think because right now you are getting what you want. No trades involving prospects or Top prospects. So however it ends up you can claim ownership as a fan. No one who wants what is now being given for a team should complain as they accept and appparently want it as is.

          • WinnipegDave

            On the flip side – no guarantees that Toronto wins with Price and Tulo or Texas wins Hamels. One of those teams will in fact be done after their next game.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Or KC with Cueto.

          • package206

            True. Dave, my only point is that nothing has happened in my opinion to make the Dodgers better. I know I have complained and complained to the point where most folks despise me. I cannot agree with things I feel are not being done or helping. Those who do should be happy with the results.

          • WinnipegDave

            Fair enough. I wish we were going to be up 2-1 in this series rather than down 1-2 but other than that I don’t know if we can say we are worse off than any team really. Including the Cardinals who had the best record in all baseball this year.

          • WinnipegDave

            And for what it’s worth – I don’t despise you. 🙂

          • package206

            I know you don’t Dave and I wasn’t fishing. I know who feels how, I think.

          • WinnipegDave

            I hear you.

          • package206

            I said the year is not over so it is possible that the Dodgers go all the way for a championship in which case I will gladly say I was wrong and the team must be better.

          • We pretty much do. Those are the two top prospects. The Phillies weren’t going to ask for less for Hamels.

          • package206

            Texas seems happy with Hamels.

        • WBBsAs

          Seager, Urias and more.

          • package206

            Don’t remember seeing those offers in print.

        • Audit

          In retrospect, how many of you wish we’d traded Pederson for a pitcher last season (2014)?

          • Bob_Hendley

            I wanted to trade him to rent Lester.

          • RBI

            I still think he will be really good in the years to come.

          • package206

            Here’s one.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        As RBI pointed out below, it depends on the cost. I wouldn’tve mortgaged the future for another ace only for this year . . . the offense has been too suspect to guarantee a win even if there’s a great start.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Nice game to clear the bench. Courtesy phone paging Mr. Utley.

    • scooplew

      Should put Utley in as a pinch-runner at first. That’s sick. I know.

      • WinnipegDave

        That would be crazy. And awesome. But mostly crazy.

        • Audit

          Might help our karma.

      • Bumsrap

        I wonder how many times that opportunity will present itself from here on out.

  • Bumsrap

    Roll the Heidi movie, please

  • scooplew

    Crawford, I won’t miss.

    • WBBsAs

      Crawford will be back, but in a reduced role.

      • scooplew

        Is he still under contract for next season at some obscene amount, given what he has done this year?

        • Bob_Hendley

          I think for next 2 years at least. He only had 193 PA this season.

        • 2016
          Los Angeles Dodgers$21,607,000
          2017
          Los Angeles Dodgers$21,857,000
          Earliest Free Agent: 2018

    • Audit

      Remember before the season, I said I would rather have sent Crawford and all his salary to San Diego instead of Matt kemp. Kemp, even at this point in his career, is twice the player Crawford ever was.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Takes two to tango.

        • Audit

          San Diego wasn’t that dumb.

      • WBBsAs

        Nobody was ever going to take Crawford, at any price.

        • WinnipegDave

          Never say never in terms of MLB trades.

        • Audit

          Nobody but Ned…

          • package206

            How’s this new crowd workin out for ya?

  • WinnipegDave

    Not. Our. Night.

    • RBI

      Understatement.

      • WinnipegDave

        I’m a master of the obvious and the understatement.

    • RBI

      It was for one half of an inning.

      • Bumsrap

        That rally probably had the MPH of balls coming off the bat averaging about 50.

  • RBI

    This is a night where it’s a good thing I have Elysian Fields.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Amen!

    • WinnipegDave

      Agreed.

    • JonnyTAFKAJ

      Agreed…… 🙂

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    I know it’s not over, but…. When it comes to recent history of our boys in the Playoffs….
    ….
    It’s ALWAYS……
    – somebody else’s year
    – somebody else’s hot streak
    – somebody else’s charmed season
    – somebody else’s stellar performance…. “Hat’s off to ________________”

    At what point is it the Dodgers’ year?
    At what point do the Dodgers MAKE it their year?

    Now, let’s get back to this one…. 🙂

    • Bob_Hendley

      We easily used up 30 years of karma with the ’88 team.

      • JonnyTAFKAJ

        Agreed.
        My Uncle often said Lasorda must have sold his soul to the devil for ’88.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Gibson & Orel . . . offense and pitching both greatly affected, favorably.

          • WinnipegDave

            And the Stuntmen!

      • WinnipegDave

        So only a few more years to go then!

    • RBI

      I feel the same, Jonny. So discouraged tonight. Up three runs, and we just throw it away.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      When they have a team that can come back in late innings, Saturday night aside (it WAS the exception to the rule) . . . a stronger starting staff beyond the first two . . . a more consistent lineup (because the hitters are more consistent) . . . and a stronger bullpen.
      Or at least two of those.

  • John_from_Aus

    wow, just tuned in to this mess

    • JonnyTAFKAJ

      Welcome……… 🙂

    • WinnipegDave

      Could have used your help a few innings back.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      It was kind of like “Inception,” where we were all sharing a wonderful dream . . . which lasted a mere half-inning until the nightmare began.

      • WinnipegDave

        And now the rest of the game is going about as fast as that stupid vehicle falling in that movie. It was a long second half to that movie.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Ha!
          But I love “Inception”!

          • WinnipegDave

            I loved the idea of Inception! 😉

  • RBI

    I have to say, I get a kick out of watching Colon. What an old warhorse.

    • Bob_Hendley

      If you look at the replay on the play the other night, it appears that if he could have gotten a few more inches off the ground he might have caught Howie’s hit.

    • JonnyTAFKAJ

      The Kareem Abdul-Jabaar of the MLB… 🙂

      • More like The Round Mound of Rebound, surely? 🙂

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Speaking of “warhorse” . . .
      Since it’s that kind of game where you break out stories and travel on tangents, did anyone see the stage play “War Horse”? I’ve seen it three times on stage and thought it was much more effective than the movie — stunning what they were able to do with the horse “puppets.”

      • WinnipegDave

        Saw the movie but not the play. Heard nothing but good things about the play. Live theatre for the win.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          I saw it on Broadway (technically Lincoln Center) on my birthday, two days before it won the Tony Award as Best Play.

          • WinnipegDave

            So cool.

      • Bumsrap

        Didn’t see it but heard it wasn’t as good as worehouse.

  • RBI

    Enrique channeling Joc.

  • WinnipegDave

    Puig AB.

  • WinnipegDave

    So Link – have we blown by previous one day highs for total comments?

    • Darned if I know. I don’t keep daily track of them. I’m not THAT obsessed. (Am I? Hmmm.)

      • WinnipegDave

        Sorry – I just love numbers and stats like that!

        • WinnipegDave

          Besides it’s about “us” not just you! 🙂

        • Pretty sure we’re going to exceed the earlier high point. If we come back tomorrow and win we may do it again. 😉

          • WinnipegDave

            Having the post up for comments from the 3 earlier games helped as well.

      • We did by the end of the game, yes. See my comment way up here at the top.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Cal Jr making sense (not sure Torre likes this).

    • WinnipegDave

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • Audit

    That DM is one great manager. He’s used both Puig and Pederson, excellent outfielders, as pinch hitters but did not use either one to replace Crawford who is much worse defensively than he is with a bat.
    Edit. This may be premature, I was just looking at Gameday which might not be up to date. Just ignore me.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Very good point. They can both use the time in the OF — Joc as a rookie, Puig shaking off the rust.
      Might as well get everyone in there for the experience.

      • Their bats would still be in the lineup too.

  • WinnipegDave

    Alright. Time to score some momentum building runs to get us in the groove for tomorrow. Yes I’m aware it doesn’t actually work like that. But let’s score some runs anyway.

  • Bumsrap

    Good night from New Hampshire. It is a beautiful place to be this time of year

  • Bob_Hendley

    AGon breaks the dinger ice, at least.

  • RBI

    AGon! One down, six to go!

    • WinnipegDave

      If only the double play hadn’t happened then we would have only been down by just a bit less than a lot.

      • Right when Darling was wondering why Seager didn’t start, too.

  • WBBsAs

    As if things couldn’t get any worse, I leave the computer to eat dinner and, when I come back, I have to listen to GBA.

    • WinnipegDave

      You don’t like your almost national anthem? Ha! Just teasing you WBB.

      • WBBsAs

        Worst song ever, except with my own custom lyrics:

        Dog bless America, hound that I love
        Stand beside him and guide him,
        With the leash that descends from above.

        From the hydrant on the corner
        To the mess on the neighbor’s lawn,
        Dog bless America, my hound sweet hound,
        Dog bless America, my hound sweet hound.

        • WinnipegDave

          That’s actually pretty funny. I had a friend who re-wrote a worship song with new lyrics and it was brilliant.

          • You’ve heard of the zoo song? “Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear?”

          • WinnipegDave

            Ha ha!

          • RBI

            Ha!

    • RBI

      Terrible new addition.

  • RBI

    Officially sick to death of these Mets bats.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Wouldn’t it be nice if/when opposing fans said the same about Dodger bats? (Especially in the postseason.)

      • RBI

        Yup. Also would be nice not to WALK batters when we’re down by SIX runs!

      • Bob_Hendley

        In point of fact, we were the top hitting team in the NL this year and outhit the Cards in last year’s post season.

        • RBI

          But that was then, Bob, and this is now!

          • Bob_Hendley

            If now is the last seven innings.

          • RBI

            I am living in the present. Just call me Zen RBI.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Bobby V was talking if and when.

        • package206

          You mean last year, right?

  • RBI

    Yimi!!!!!! Throw strikes!!!!!!

  • RBI

    Mama really really not happy tonight. I wasn’t feeling well today anyway, and this game isn’t helping my digestion one bit.

  • WinnipegDave

    Did you have a nice birthday yesterday RBI?

    • RBI

      Yes, thanks. Lots of kids and grandkids here in the morning. But felt a little off In the afternoon, and that carried over to today. And now this game. Ugh-fest.

      • WinnipegDave

        That is unfortunate. Hopefully tomorrow will be better on all fronts.

        • RBI

          Yes! Ever hopeful!

        • WinnipegDave

          Having family around is not unfortunate – that part is beautiful.

          • RBI

            Always. Grandbabies are the absolute best! Truly a joy.

          • WinnipegDave

            A joy I hope to experience in about 15 or 20 years.

          • RBI

            Just you wait. As great as parenting is, the next generation of babies topped it for me!

  • RBI

    I’ve decided to watch something else and record the rest of this game. Better for my nerves. I will say that Tejada injury notwithstanding, Saturday’s game was the most exciting I’ve ever attended. So thank you, Dodgers, for that!

    • WinnipegDave

      See you tomorrow.

    • WBBsAs

      I think a Scandinavian noir will be more cheerful than this.

      • RBI

        Tell me again the ones you like best? (Besides all the Wallenders, and The Bridge.)

        • WBBsAs

          Johan Falk is really good. Martin Beck. The Norwegian Varg Veum. The Danish series Unit One and The Eagle are also really good. I also really like the German series Tatort (Crime Scene) set in Frankfurt (there are other versions set in different cities).

          • RBI

            I’ve seen Martin Beck (loved) Unit One (loved) and The Eagle (liked). Thanks for the other suggestions. Will look for them during the off season, which may be sooner rather than later…

  • RBI

    Just peeked at the score. I made the right decision.

    • WinnipegDave

      Yes feel free to get out while you can!

      • RBI

        Hahaha!

    • Bob_Hendley

      No peeking!

      • RBI

        Ah, it feels so good to laugh! I thought I never would again!

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    We can only hope that the Dodger pitchers and the Mets batters get all of this out of their system and the remaining two games show nary a trace of the same.

  • scooplew

    When was the last time the Dodgers absorbed a post-season shellacking of this magnitude? Maybe I have blocked it out, but nothing comes to mind.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Kershaw’s 2nd loss two years ago which eliminated them.
      I remember it being over really early and many of us commenting that that actually made it easier than a nailbiting loss.

      • scooplew

        How about 13 runs allowed? Ever exceeded in the post-season?

    • WinnipegDave

      They lost 9-0 to St. Louis 2 years ago.

  • RBI

    So, if we go quietly tomorrow, do they keep Donny?

    • WinnipegDave

      Maybe not. Crazy to think really. Not likely, but he could possibly go.

      • RBI

        Why crazy?

        • scooplew

          I think DM is gone unless we make it to the World Series. And I, for one, won’t shed any tears.

          • RBI

            After the likes of Grady, Joe, and Donnie, I wouldn’t mind a little more fire.

        • WinnipegDave

          First manager ever to guide the Dodgers into the postseason three years in a row. 90+ wins 3 years in a row. I think the FO understands the fickle nature of the playoffs.
          And yet…

          • Bob_Hendley

            They have already suggested how much they value his clubhouse managment.

          • WBBsAs

            That’s the best argument in his favor, and it’s no small matter. That said, I wouldn’t miss him much.

          • RBI

            Yes, there is that.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      On the one hand, there’s usually the need for someone to be blamed for what would be perceived as an underachieving season.
      On the other hand, Donnie isn’t the one not hitting in the clutch and not holding the lead. Who else would they get? Roenicke?

      • RBI

        I’ve liked him better this year, but his constant lineup tweaking drove me nuts. I can’t imagine that’s easy for the players.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          I was going to comment on that, wondering how much of that is his own philosophy and how much was dictated by the FO — either by overt orders or by leaving him such a fluctuating roster.
          It also didn’t help that they didn’t have a true leadoff hitter.

          • Bob_Hendley

            There are certainly discussions. Don’t you recall Donnie in ST saying that he would be looking for help from the FO in putting together line ups.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Strangely, we got more dingers out of the leadoff spot than we did from any other, except for 3rd. On the other hand lead off was only the 7th best spot in terms of OBP.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Trying to take full advantage of a deep flexible roster.

    • Bumsrap

      The players did not revolt and instead hustled all year. Donnie seems to work well with FAZ. He has a good chance of coming back unless the Yankees really want him and trade for him.

  • WinnipegDave

    Now Rollins throws out Cespedes.

  • WinnipegDave

    Okay. Everybody hits this inning!

    • Bob_Hendley

      If we tie or go ahead we get to see the Mets in the bottom of the 9th!

      • WinnipegDave

        Let’s do it!

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          You are retained by acclamation as president of the Optimists Club, Dave!

          • WinnipegDave

            Cool!

  • WinnipegDave

    How confident are people feeling about game 4 with Kershaw pitching tomorrow? I wish I could say I am pumped. But truthfully I’m nervous.

    • Bob_Hendley

      I am confident, while also recognizing that it is baseball.

      • John_from_Aus

        With Kershaw, then Grienke it should be the best 1-2 punch in the game. We wouldn’t want anyone else starting those games

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Extremely nervous — to me it is much more than about extending this season.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Flashback for Cal Jr.

  • WinnipegDave

    Rally killing HR by Howie? Ha ha.

    • scooplew

      Just need two more three-run homers like that to tie the game.

  • RBI

    Peeked again. That’s a tiny bit better.

    • Bob_Hendley

      No peeling!

      • RBI

        Another laugh!!!!

        • WinnipegDave

          Yeah – what kinda games you playing over there RBI?!

    • WinnipegDave

      I recall a game the Dodgers were losing 8-0 and someone hit a grand slam to make the final score 8-4. The Dodgers won the next several games.

      • RBI

        I like that they’re bringing in their closer.

  • RBI

    Forced them to being in their closer. Six runs up…

  • RBI

    My brother and sister-in-law are at the game. Big Mets fans – which I once was as well.

    • Bumsrap

      I am sure your family will evolve as well.

  • Bob_Hendley

    I am going to do that Zen thing. I am only living in this half inning.

    • RBI

      Wise.

      • scooplew

        Mindfulness.

  • scooplew

    Wow, they brought in their closer.

    • RBI

      Gives our guys another look, and a lift I would think.

  • WinnipegDave

    Apparently hitting home runs doesn’t help us to win baseball games.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Yeah, the sooner we get away from that stuff the better.

      • WinnipegDave

        Aren’t bad stats fun?!

        • WinnipegDave

          I should say isn’t it fun to make stats say bad things.

  • WinnipegDave

    Well friends goodnight. See you tomorrow. And Happy Thanksgiving. 🙂

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Hopefully we’ll something for which to be thankful!

    • Bumsrap

      Happy Thanksgiving Dave. I will wish you another one next month. I wish the USA would celebrate in October as well.

  • RBI

    Both teams had thirteen hits, but theirs counted for a lot more runs.

    • package206

      Tough night, have a good evening RBI.

      • RBI

        Thanks, Package! You, too, my friend.

  • RBI

    I wonder how many of those doubles off the wall Joc might have gotten to? Any thoughts?

    • Bob_Hendley

      Might have had a chance on the Granderson double to center, while a better left fielder might have had a chance on his double to left. (I think those were both Granderson). Matz is a southpaw, so Donnie will have to weigh that and don’t think Joc starts tomorrow. I see Ruggs, Quique and Puig.

    • Bumsrap

      I would go with an outfield of Kike’, Pederson, Puig. Ruggs has faded some and hasn’t played much for over a week. Pederson’s last two homeruns were against southpaws and one of them was Bumgarner.

      I think Seager will start as well. If Pederson played deeper than Kike’ did and gets a better jump, his better speed would have gotten him to the ball and when that happens, he catches it.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Yeah, it may have been a question of positioning and Quique didn’t get a good jump, didn’t take a good route and seemed lost and not moving at top speed. That, of course, would have been a spectacular catch by Joc (we know he is capable). Three runs scored with two outs. Haven’t gotten another look at the Granderson double to left, which score 2 runs with 1 out, but at the time felt that someone better than CC might have gotten to it. So, that’s five runs right there and we are tied.

  • RBI

    Turns out neither Anderson nor Wood had it tonight. Too bad. Or should I say two bad.

  • I think it was Dave who asked if we’d gone over our previous record for comments. Yes. 432 is the most ever. Game 144 on 9/15 is second with 349. Game 149 on 9/21 is third with 342. Rounding out the top five are Game 156 on 9/28 with 330 and the opener of the NLDS on 10/9 with 318. This has been a much-discussed set of 165 games so far, with one and hopefully two yet to go.

    • WinnipegDave

      Thanks Link. Wasn’t that fun to see we broke the record? If only the Dodgers had joined in the fun along with us!

      • Bob_Hendley

        Not the sort of record we might want to break. The top five are all losses and most of the discussion is of a doomsday nature about Donnie, the FO, the pen and the scapegoat player of the day. The joy of the Dodgers we tend to keep and celebrate by ourselves or just take the wins for granted. We use the site for commiserating among fellow sufferers, as well as in attacking anything that moves, including each other.

        • WinnipegDave

          I had noticed that earlier in the year (more comments during losses) but hadn’t realized that the top 5 were all losses.
          Misery loves company and Elysian Fields loves communal grieving/griping I suppose.

          • Audit

            How about communal cries? More alliterative.

          • RBI

            And now we add onto our total with discussions about discussions about losses!

    • Audit

      Don’t take it personal but Dodger Thoughts went over 1000 on more than one occasion…

      • Dodger Thoughts had over 100 regular commenters. Best guess here we have about a dozen. We have the cream. 😉

  • Howard Fox

    I wonder if the FO is starting to see the importance of pitching? I can live with inconsistent and oftentimes weak hitting, but its the pitching weaknesses top to bottom that really bothers me.

    • Bob_Hendley

      What makes you think they don’t value pitching? Top to bottom?

    • Bumsrap

      I think they want what the Mets have in their rotation with young aces like deGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz plus a veteran like Harvey. They need to find a bridge to Urias, Holmes, Buehler, De Leon plus Kershaw for KFAZ to be able to do that.

      It will be interesting to see what that bridge looks like. Will they re-sign Greinke and go after Price?

      • Bob_Hendley

        Me thinks that they stay with a top-two approach (either Greinke or Price) and shore up 3-4 slots with return of Ryu and McCarthy. They have Wood in hand for back-end and could resign Anderson and then see how the young arms develop.

        • Bumsrap

          I like the “me thinks” approach to guessing what KFAZ might do as my “me thinks” is that they don’t even know yet what they will do.

          They already have Rhy and McCarthy so that would not be shoring up anything would it? De Leon and Cotton or Beachy might be ready to shore up Ryu and McCarthy if they don’t try to sign two aces like Greinke and Price.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Shoring up in the sense that they didn’t have them this season and had different people in those spots.

          • package206

            Since Kasten had 3 great starters in Maddux, Glavin and Smoltz, with Atlanta. I always thought he would try to get 3 top starters but I guess I was wrong.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Don’t think he has a problem with having three it’s more in regard to the cost of getting there. Maddux was the one FA, Glavine came up through the system, and Smoltz was acquired as a prospect by sending a vet pitcher to a contender during the down years for the Braves. They may see Urias as that third.

          • WBBsAs

            When healthy, Ryu is a top starter, a No. 1 for many teams.

          • Bob_Hendley

            They do seem to have an overall strategy to guide them, which suggests to me that they go with the two-top guy approach. I suppose that they could depart from that strategy, but not sure why. It seems to be working even during the transition and they have shied away from mortgaging the future when faced with the lost of the 3-4.

        • WBBsAs

          A healthy Ryu is a No. 1 starter on many teams.

  • Audit

    After last night’s exhibitions:
    Rollins had his Veteran’s Preference Start, he is backup from now on.
    KiKi hurts us in center, so Joc has to play.
    Crawford hurts us in the field and at the plate, he is a pinch runner from now on.
    KiKi and Ethier platoon in left, Puig plays right.
    And I am more interested in Kershaw not hurting himself than I am in winning the game.

    • Bumsrap

      I hope Mattingly sees it that way. He has made great strides as a Manager but he still hasn’t mastered lineups yet IMHO.

      Kike’ needs to either be a fill in utility player or given a position that he can handle after he has mastered it. He can compete for a starting job at second or left field next year but for now, a jack of all trades is not what I want as a starter in the playoffs. He is not that good of a hitter.

      I think Mattingly put Seager in at third base was more to give him a taste of a playoff game in NY more than it was to rest Turner so that he will be more relaxed starting Tuesday.

      • Audit

        I don’t think Seager really needed a taste. The kid has no nerves at all… That over the shoulder catch the other night, did you see the grin on his face when he and Crawford were close?

        • Bumsrap

          That was a great snapshot. I love those moments.

  • Audit

    If, and it’s a huge one, we win games 4 and 5, do we start the next series with, ugh, Anderson, or pitch Clayton and Zack on 3 days’ rest? Is there a Plan C?

    • Bob_Hendley

      It is said that Zach will not pitch without his normal rest.

      • Audit

        He might be one of the more intelligent players in the game. Good for him.

      • WBBsAs

        He said he’s done so, and the results were not good.

    • WBBsAs

      You worry about that when you get there.

  • RBI

    When I consider the Nats, Gnats, and Pirates, I feel fortunate to be a fan of a team that has gotten this far. Go Kershaw! Go Blue!

  • Audit

    I really think if the Dodgers lose the game tonight, Mattingly goes to Miami. My choice to replace him is Bud Black. Not sure why, we have a strong pitching coach in Hunnicutt and an offense oriented manager makes more sense, but no matter, the FO doesn’t listen to me anyhow. And that’s OK cause that makes everything that goes wrong their fault. I love shirking responsibility…

    • Tsk. Although that makes your new name appropriate. “Management had not created the proper fiscal controls, which allowed its junior vice president to steal $47 million and disappear. They should have done better.”

      • Audit

        What are you talking about? Have you been over-indulging on the “news” again?

        • I’m using my imagination to recreate Auditors’ Statements I have read/heard in my time.

          • Audit

            Thought maybe you were going the “Package” route…

          • package206

            What might that be??

    • Bob_Hendley

      Bud is said to be a top candidate for the Nats job. I don’t see anything wrong with him, but think that Donnie stays regardless of outcome of the NLDS.

  • NPUT @ 9:30 my time, 12:30 Pacific Time.