Game 150, 2015

Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:10PM PT, TV: SPNLA, FS-A, MLBN

Alex Wood (11-10,3.63 ERA) goes for the Dodgers against Robbie Ray (4-12, 3.72 ERA) of the D-Backs. Wood’s last start was an eight-inning one-hitter against the Rockies. Ray’s last win was against the Dodgers on September 11, Wood’s worst outing of the year as a Dodger. That was the game in which he gave up eight runs in only 1 2/3 innings.

Goldsmith likes Wood’s pitching: He’s 4-for-7 lifetime off him with two home runs, including one in that Sept. 11 game.

Lineup:

Utley and Pederson sit to start, as does Ethier since Ray is left-handed.

  • scooplew

    I wonder how many different Dodgers have been the clean-up batter in the starting lineup this season. Better yet, how many have not?

    • package206

      That’s a good question. I think its about time that guys like Ethier and Crawford and yes even Rollins who should play with his experience also others (Grandal) who they plan to play in the playoffs get the ABs. This is crazy Donnie’s worst point. He does crazy stuff sometimes.

      • Package, Ray is a lefty. That’s why Mattingly stacks the lineup with right-handed hitters. Ethier doesn’t hit lefties well, Grandal’s shoulder is probably still hurting him, Rollins’ thumb is still not well. I don’t know about Crawford. Ruggiano has been a pleasant surprise in the three weeks or so we’ve had him, so why not let him play?

        • package206

          I know Grandal’s shoulder is injured but he still has started sometimes. I get Rollins is still injured but my point is that only 25 guys will be on the roster and I would like to see some stability in the lineups. I know Ray is a lefty but what happens when Donnie does not have the luxury of cherry picking players. These players include all the probable 25, even the ones I am not crazy about because this is a set of short series and I just think these guys need to be ready. Donnie plays so many players that I am not sure they will be ready. Just my opinion.

          • You’re taking it for granted that they’ll win the division. Mattingly wants to win games to get there.

          • package206

            True.

          • Bob_Hendley

            With the injuries more of a need than a luxury at this point. He actually doesn’t have the luxury of starting Puig and Justin against the righty.

          • package206

            Not saying they have to be right handed.

          • Bob_Hendley

            What do you think that tonight’s starting line up should be?

          • package206

            I doesn’t matter. Do you want to stir it up also?

          • Bob_Hendley

            No certainly not.

    • Bob_Hendley

      By my count nine players have started at cleanup: Agon, 58; Howie, 35; Justin, 25; Dre, 12; Grandal, 9; SVS, 6; Puig, 2; Utley, 1; and Seager, 1.

  • scooplew

    Where is the logic in starting Heisey over Pederson in centerfield tonight?
    Ray, Arizona’s staring pitcher, is a southpaw. Here is how Heisey and Pederson have done against left-handed pitching this year:
    Heisey, in 44 plate appearances: .118/.273/.176/.449.
    Pederson, in 121 plate appearances: .211/.289/.376/.665.
    And Pederson is our best defensive centerfielder.
    Sometimes (actually, more often than that), I can’t figure Mattingly out.

    • package206

      There is no good reason why Heisey was ever brought in the first or second time.

      • WBBsAs

        There was, actually. It’s called injuries.

    • Bob_Hendley

      It’s been a long up and then down season for Joc. He has appeared in 142 of the 149 games. I believe that Donnie is willing to sacrifice something here in order to try to get Joc back on the upswing as he slowly builds himself out of the hole that was July. There are some benefits to having a seven game lead. Might as well use them.

  • Audit

    I think the FO dislikes Mattingly as much as we do and would love to replace him. But as long as he keeps winning the Division (thanks to the players they give him), they don’t dare fire him.

    • package206

      Wish somebody would fire the FO.

      • WBBsAs

        You’d be hard-pressed to find a more capable FO, which has assembled one of the deepest rosters in baseball for a team that’s running away with the division. If that’s not good enough for you, perhaps you should find another team.

        • package206

          I am not the only one who thinks the FO has made many mistakes and I am appalled that you think you are someone who thinks they have the right to suggest which team I am a fan. You should be ashamed. I would never have thought I should say that to you.

        • That’s uncalled for. You guys can disagree with one another without that.

          Some of us think the front office has done a great job, others think a “meh” job, and others wish it would go away entirely. But that’s not a big enough difference to suggest someone should go root for another team.

          • WBBsAs

            There was no offense intended, but I do think we need to acknowledge the achievements of an FO that put together a first-place team even after losing two front-line starters, and that has assembled a bench that’s managed to overcome the loss of Puig and Kendrick, among others, for extended periods.

          • Bob_Hendley

            I agree. But I believe that we need to better observe rules #6 and #8.

    • WBBsAs

      I am not a Mattingly fan, but managing is not a simple job. Strategic shortcomings apart, it takes great people skills to handle 25 massive and highly paid egos. When I managed a slow-pitch team, handling a dozen or so sensitive egos was tough enough. It wouldn’t bother me if Mattingly left, but I wouldn’t assume his replacement would necessarily be an improvement.

      • package206

        I agree especially with who he would have to report.

      • Best managing job I ever did might have been getting twelve people to share time in the chair on a deep-sea fishing boat.

        • scooplew

          Or perhaps being a jury foreperson. Have you ever seen the film “12 Angry Men”?

      • Audit

        You may not find logic in this but it is how I feel. I know Mattingly’s replacement will make mistakes and I will dislike him. I remember Dodger managers all the way back to Alston’s first year, and I never liked any of them. I don’t expect to like the next 10 or 12 managers they hire… And the FO… I don’t like them either but I think they have done a good job. Maybe I just don’t like things.

      • Audit

        Are you perchance related to Retired Sergeant-Major Higgins of Robin Master’s Estate and Magnum PI?

        • WBBsAs

          I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

          • Audit

            That is a rare admission we should hear more often…

          • WBBsAs

            What you wrote had nothing to do with baseball.

          • Audit

            So shoot me.

          • WBBsAs

            My only firearm is an antique Japanese rifle that my father brought home from WWII. There is no ammunition for it and, even if there were, I would not use it. It is less lethal than a crossbow, but I would happily register it – as should all of us.

  • package206

    Here we go again with a commentor thinking they have the right to rip up another commentor. Link, perhaps you should have a talk with him as I am extremely offended. STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Jim Johnson off to watch as his wife has a kid. Best of luck! Since the debacle in Pitt he has an ERA of 3.38 in 13 innings. But, not for the faint of heart with a WHIP of almost 1.6 during that period.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Boy, we sure ruminate over these line ups. I don’t see all that much to chew on. This appears to be the typical righty stack against a lefty, which we have all seen countless times before, with three subs, because of injuries to Puig, Justin and Rollins (though not sure that the latter will ever claim his starting slot again). Other than that, we have Joc not starting. Like, big deal.

  • News I missed: “Jaime Jarrin has agreed to return for at least three more seasons. A
    member of the Hall of Fame, Jarrin, 79, has been broadcasting Dodgers
    games since the year after they moved to Los Angeles in 1958.”

    Good news for all those who habla espanol.

    • scooplew

      Great for Jaime! But he’s got a way to go to catch Vinny.

    • WBBsAs

      I find it remarkable that, coming from a country where baseball is insignificant, Jaime could immerse himself in it so quickly. He has even worked to promote baseball in Ecuador (though he could probably use help from Colombia and, especially, Venezuela.

      • I went from knowing nothing about baseball to being immersed in it in one season (’59). ‘Course, I was nine years old at the time.

        • WBBsAs

          It’s one thing to grow up with it. Rather like a language, it’s something else to learn it as an adult.

  • scooplew

    Hey, fellow fans. Win this one without me. I am off to Yom Kippur services and a 24-hour fast. Go Dodgers!

    • WBBsAs

      Sandy is with you (in spirit, at least).

      • Here’s a good ESPN story about that Yom Kippur World Series game.

        • scooplew

          Thanks for sharing that. Pederson’s mother is Jewish, his father is not. I wonder if that has anything to do with him not starting tonight.

      • scooplew

        I was a huge fan of Sandy Koufax while I was growing up, but Duke Snider was was my favorite. Coincidentally, my wife’s name is Sandy — we’ve been married 35 years. I never dated a girl with the name of Duke.

  • WBBsAs

    The Dodgers have recalled Adam Liberatore (or Lipitor, as Steiner would say). I’m a bit surprised they hadn’t done so yet, as he had some success earlier in the season. Another lefty out of the pen.

  • package206

    There was never a good reason to sign Heisey. The Dodgers have long had enough outfielders. That is why they traded Kemp. Remember? Bringing Heisey on board never made any sense at least to anyone except the FO. Also, Ned had a 1st place team for two years in a row and he was replaced so having a 1st place team doesn’t appear to be a good reason to hail the FO as doing a good job.

    • Enough! See Rule 8!

    • WBBsAs

      Heisey is a good defensive OFer, but was always minor league depth, and had some good years with the Reds – in 2011, he had 18 HRs. He’s in the majors at present only because of injuries. Every team has players like him, or should have.

      The Gnats, for what it’s worth, are starting Alejandro de Aza in LF tonight. Their bench OFers are Mac Williamson and Jarrett Parker (big names all, no?).

    • Bob_Hendley

      It’s a luxury to focus in on who should be the Dodgers seventh outfielder. Suggest that the FO may know what they are doing.

      • package206

        It’s OK for you to discuss the FO but I have been told not too.

    • RBI

      Where are you, Package? I’m losing my cool. Again.

      • package206

        Hey RBI

  • WinnipegDave

    Wow. Waste not, want not.

  • Can we talk about the game, please, and not the Front Office? Package despises it, we all know that, but there’s no need to bait him with it. It’s really getting tiresome on all sides.

  • package206

    How about that Dave? Great throw by SVS.

    • WinnipegDave

      Great play by SVS. Wood is picking up where he left off from last game which is exciting to see.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Coming into the game SVS actually led the team in dWAR with 0.6! This in only 89 games (many partial or as PH).

  • WinnipegDave

    Fun fact via Vin: Wood has retired 27 of the last 28 batters he has faced over this game and last.

    Okay, now 27 out of 29 after that smash by Ahmed.

  • WinnipegDave

    Perhaps it is good they gave up the first run? They had lost 3 or 4 in a row when scoring first!

    • Bob_Hendley

      Those were a couple of productive outs by the Snakes. Elias has a measure for that. In the NL the average success rate is 30%. Dodgers are at 27%.and ranked 10th. Success in this area, however, does not seem to correlate with winning. The four team less successful than the Dodgers are the NYM, StL, SFG and Cubs. Fish are first at 37%.

      • WinnipegDave

        That is fascinating (I’m being serious). I’m sure that no one is suggesting that there is a reverse correlation between success of productive outs and lack of overall success in winning games. But perhaps it does show outs are not good to make regardless of productive or not? My question mark means I don’t know if that what it shows or not.

        • Bob_Hendley

          It certainly better to get your runs over or in by something other than an out. That said, I should look at runs scored rather than winning (because that involves run prevention as well).

          • WinnipegDave

            Yes – and that is a great succinct answer!

          • WinnipegDave

            So – use your non-outs to score runs and your outs as outs.

          • Bob_Hendley

            Or maybe I should look at hitting? If your team can’t hit you may be more willing to use your outs in a productive manner (to the extent that you can control this).

          • WinnipegDave

            I’m guessing that speed may play a factor as well. Perhaps speed would help with – hmm I don’t know now how speed would tie in to all this.

  • WinnipegDave

    Legit pondering about HFA and the pitching rotation. With Wood pitching so much better at home than on the road, would you ever consider having him pitch in Dodger Stadium even if it meant dropping Greinke or Kershaw back in the rotation?

    • Bob_Hendley

      Maybe we let Mets have home field advantage?

  • WinnipegDave

    Wood should not be behind in this game. He just had a 5 pitch inning which is really good.

  • WinnipegDave

    Perhaps it is good RBI is not here yet. She would be exploding with the Dodgers not scoring! Of course if she was here, maybe they would have scored at least once or twice by now…

    • RBI

      Alas, I just got here. And am apoplectic.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Looks like they got him.

    • WinnipegDave

      Yes. Just.

  • WinnipegDave

    This is less fun than when we score runs and hit homers.

  • Bob_Hendley

    The only guy who could have robbed Pollack is probably Pollack himself.

    • WinnipegDave

      Is Pollack that much better defensively than Joc?

      • Bob_Hendley

        He looks better to me and the numbers confirm that. (dWAR 1.7 versus -0.1). Joc makes some silly mistakes at times that he should learn to avoid in the future.

        • WinnipegDave

          Thanks Bob. That’s helpful stuff.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Stupid homers.

  • WinnipegDave

    Man!

  • RBI

    Stupid stupid DBacks. Just got here to see their two dingers.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Well, I guess who can be blamed for those then.

      • RBI

        It’s the toes. Lavender instead of Dodger Blue. Must rectify!

        • WinnipegDave

          Ha!

  • RBI

    Momma really not happy.

    • WinnipegDave

      I won’t mention anything about warm puppies that’s for sure…

  • RBI

    Any info on the DBack’s pen?

    • WinnipegDave

      Probably less good than Pittsburgh’s

  • WinnipegDave

    Lead off walk perhaps a helpful start.

  • RBI

    Ahmed is killing us!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Ahmed is really something. Has a dWAR of 2.7.

    • RBI

      That was a remarkable play.

  • RBI

    Almost loaded them up, but for that impossible play by Ahmed.

    • WinnipegDave

      Good to still be in sync with you!

  • WinnipegDave

    Oh that play by Ahmed! Otherwise we would be in a great spot.

    • WBBsAs

      Very fine play, give him credit.

  • WinnipegDave

    Grrrr!

  • WinnipegDave

    I am suddenly reminded of 2009 when the Dodgers were needing just one
    more win to clinch the NL West. They led the Pirates 5-2 in Pittsburgh – but they
    Pirates scored 4 to come back and win 6-5. Then the Dodgers lost the next 4 games and were scoreless into the 7th at home against the Rockies. They finally broke through and scored 5 runs to win 5-0 and finally crack open the champagne that had been on ice for the last week.

    • RBI

      Ending with a whimper.

      • WinnipegDave

        And Colorado was the team that was chasing the Dodgers that year. In fact the 5th consecutive lose was the first game of the 3 game series against Colorado. If Colorado had swept Dodgers were out and Rockies in. So, it got a little tense to say the least.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Recall that very well. Saw them in DC right before they went on the Pitt. At that point we were 6 up with 9 left to play.

  • RBI

    Pads had the bases loaded w one out. Kemp popped out, and Upton grounded out. Still 1-0 Gnats. Insult to injury.

  • RBI

    2-0 Gnats.

  • RBI

    Wow. My mood, she is not good.

    • package206

      Smile, Momma

  • RBI

    I need ice cream. And there is none to be had.

    • WinnipegDave

      I could try sending some through the interweb. Or perhaps your glare at the game right now is cold enough to turn cream into a frosty dessert…

      • RBI

        I found a soy cream sandwich. Desperate times.

  • WinnipegDave

    The walk sets up the double play at least.

  • JonnyTAFKAJ

    Looking for a comeback…………… 🙂

    • RBI

      Have to get them out, first!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Uh oh. AJ could be hurt.

  • RBI

    Ouch! Big effort by A.J.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Yimi with the movement.

    • WinnipegDave

      Sweet pitch. Vin sounded impressed.

  • WinnipegDave

    yippee yimi

  • WinnipegDave

    Johnson warming up for the ninth probably says a lot about tonight’s game.

  • RBI

    We stink right now. That is all.

    • WinnipegDave

      The question is – when will we get better?

  • RBI

    4-1 Gnats.

    • WinnipegDave

      So the lead would be 6 with 12 games left if the scores hold.

  • RBI

    I think I can’t watch anymore. I will be at the game tomorrow. Wish us all luck.

    • WinnipegDave

      Have a good rest of the evening whatever is left of it!

  • WinnipegDave

    Un-dirty word – believable!

  • WinnipegDave

    Dodgers should bunt more. If they can bunt like Arizona.

  • WBBsAs

    Is Steiner Lipitor-ing?

  • Bob_Hendley

    Painful.

    • WinnipegDave

      Sure but just get it all out of their system tonight and start over tomorrow. I don’t care if they lose 8-0. Which seemed conservative about 30 seconds ago. Fine make it 12-0.

  • WBBsAs

    Very bad play by A.J.

  • WinnipegDave

    Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day…
    It is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing

    • WinnipegDave

      Night all and see you anon.

  • Five runs in the ninth, three of Johnson? He is not making a case for staying on the roster for the (presumed) playoffs.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Not my favorite pitcher, but in assessing “his” performance they may take into account the double play ball to Goldie that turned into a single because of the hit and run, the pop up single butchered by Guerrero and CC, and Saltalamacchi subsequently scoring on the passed ball.

      • WBBsAs

        Speaking of the hit and run, when was the last time Mattingly even attempted one? Even teams without accomplished base stealers can hit and run on occasion.

        • Bob_Hendley

          Seems to have attempted a couple of times since the call up, along with an initial spurt in the running game. Not really in his arsenal, however. Most of our batters are not really contact types.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Nor is the offense.(southpaws have been tough on us most of the season until very recently)

  • Audit

    Perhaps I was a little over-optimistic in predicting two wins this week. I’d like to be there on Dodger payday, all the “hitters” would have to be backing up to receive their check… One guy who certainly shouldn’t be there next year is Mark Maguire. Or is a “hitting coach” really supposed to teach people to hit or just be there?

  • Audit

    Yogi Berra, probably the game’s best ever catcher, is dead at 90. He is also remembered for his memorable malaprops. Here are 35 of them from an article referenced in MLBTR:

    Yogi Berra, considered one of the best catchers in major league history, died of natural causes at the age of 90 Tuesday. The Yankees legend and Hall of Famer may be better known for the way he creatively butchered the English language, with what became known as Yogi-isms.

    Here are 35:

    1. “It ain’t over till it’s over.”

    2. “It’s deja vu all over again.”

    3. “I usually take a two-hour nap from 1 to 4.”

    4. “Never answer an anonymous letter.”

    5. “We made too many wrong mistakes.”

    6. “You can observe a lot by watching.”

    7. “The future ain’t what it used to be.”

    8. “If you don’t know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else.”

    9. “It gets late early out here.”

    10. “If the people don’t want to come out to the ballpark, nobody’s going to stop them.”

    11. “Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical.”

    12. “Pair up in threes.”

    13. “Why buy good luggage, you only use it when you travel.”

    14. “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

    15. “All pitchers are liars or crybabies.”

    16. “A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.”

    17. “Bill Dickey is learning me his experience.”

    18. “He hits from both sides of the plate. He’s amphibious.”

    19. “I always thought that record would stand until it was broken.”

    20. “I can see how he (Sandy Koufax) won 25 games. What I don’t understand is how he lost five.”Modal TriggerJoe DiMaggio and Yogi Berra in 1955.

    21. “I don’t know (if they were men or women fans running naked across the field). They had bags over their heads.”

    22. “I’m a lucky guy and I’m happy to be with the Yankees. And I want to thank everyone for making this night necessary.”

    23. “I’m not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did.”

    24. “In baseball, you don’t know nothing.”

    25. “I never blame myself when I’m not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn’t my fault that I’m not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?”

    26. “I never said most of the things I said.”

    27. “It ain’t the heat, it’s the humility.”

    28. “I think Little League is wonderful. It keeps the kids out of the house.”

    29. “I wish everybody had the drive he (Joe DiMaggio) had. He never did anything wrong on the field. I’d never seen him dive for a ball, everything was a chest-high catch, and he never walked off the field.”

    30. “So I’m ugly. I never saw anyone hit with his face.”

    31. “Take it with a grin of salt.”

    32. (On the 1973 Mets) “We were overwhelming underdogs.”

    33. “The towels were so thick there I could hardly close my suitcase.”

    34. “You should always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise, they won’t come to yours.”

    35. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

    • Audit

      How many of you know Yogi’s real name without looking it up?

      • Me. Lawrence Peter Berra. Born in St. Louis. He and Joe Garagiola grew up in the same neighborhood.

        • Audit

          I did too but I’m weird in the things I remember…

    • WBBsAs

      I commend your use of “dead’ in lieu of “passed away.” I hate euphemisms.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Instead of spending much time on the flaws from most of the season which are stalling the Dodgers (bats & bullpen), I want to share something nice:

    Last week I was in San Diego and I took a tour of Petco Park (there were only four of us visitors, so it was especially nice). We went to Toyota Terrace, adjacent to the broadcast booth. ‘So we’re right next to where Vin Scully would sit when he came here?’ I asked. The guide brightened. ‘He is the nicest man ever,’ she said. ‘He greets everyone in an unpretentious manner. What a treasure.’

    Amen.

    • Audit

      Something I’ve always wondered about that park… There is a building bordering left field or perhaps it’s the left field foul line, some kind of metals company. It looks like they have seats on their balconies and roof for people to watch the game, a lot of seats. Do they control the seats or do the Padres?

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        The Padres bought the building — it’s on the California historical list, so they couldn’t tear it down and had to build around it. (My first game there, I was down the left field line and didn’t realize the building was there until the Dodger LF was going for a ball and disappeared — I had to wait for the crowd’s response to know what happened.)
        There’s a restaurant inside the building and anyone with any type of ticket can go there during the game. They also have “balcony” seats there which can be purchased.

  • Audit

    Too much time on my hands, so I’ll post a couple of topics to keep the Internet flowing… I hope they’re not too controversial, but you know WBBsAs is going to correct or disagree with me if I said the Sun rises in the East…so…
    Heaven help me, I’m starting to agree with the FO’s way of thinking. I accepted it logically months ago but I’m leaning more to accepting it emotionally. Their long term game plan is to develop or trade for young players, then trade them during their arbitration years for younger players to grow into major league players. There will be many less over-priced free-agents in our future. Of course we root for all our players but who do we cheer for loudest? Pederson. Seager. KiKi. Turner. SVS. Why? These players play with a youthful exuberance and enthusiasm that is missing in the older free agent millionaires like Agon, Crawford, Rollins, Ethier, et al. Yes, some of them do a decent job but I can’t help feeling they really could do a little more if they really wanted to, if they hadn’t already made their millions. Not many MCCutchins out there, is there? When Pederson, Seager et al near the end of their arbitration years, they will be traded for prospects. By then we will (hopefully) have their replacements coming up the chain, and hopefully it will be an endless chain. I might get to like this system.

    • WBBsAs

      I think you’re headed in the right direction, but that you overstate the case. The youngest players you mention will still be in their prime when free agency arrives, and I expect the FO will make every effort to keep them.

  • Audit

    In a way this relates to my previous post. Enthusiasm. Effort. That is what is missing on much of the Dodger team. It went south to Padre Land with Matt Kemp. Granted he is not the player he was 5 years ago, at least most of his body isn’t. But his heart is. That hasn’t changed. He still wants to run down every line drive, crash every fence if there’s a ball near it. His soul is willing but his body is weak. No matter what he does in San Diego or wherever he goes, to me he’ll always be a Dodger. Whatever it is MCCutcheon has, he had to learn part of it from Matt Kemp.

  • WBBsAs
    • WinnipegDave

      Just saw that as well. I guess it will give us more to fret – I mean talk – about.

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