Game 102, 2015

Athletics at Dodgers, 7:10PM PT, TV: SPNLA, CSNCA

The Dodgers send Clayton Kershaw to the mound tonight nursing a 29-inning scoreless streak and admiring a July in which he won three of his first four starts with an ERA of 0.27. His opponent will be Jesse Chavez, who is 5-10 but has a 3.45 ERA. His last start was pretty bad, though: he gave up four runs in three-plus innings against the Giants.

There’s late word that the Dodgers-Marlins trade of Matt Latos and Michael Morse to the Dodgers for prospects may be falling apart over medical issues. Stay tuned.

Lineup when available.


You’ll note that Kershaw isn’t starting any more and Bolsinger is. Kershaw apparently has a sore muscle in his hip or glute.

199 thoughts on “Game 102, 2015

  1. If we’re taking bad contracts in order to get pitchers, how about getting Matt Kemp and a pitcher or two from the Pads, in exchange for two or three minor leaguers who will never amount to anything anyway…

  2. Again, the Dodgers settle for 2nd rate players. Alex Wood and Mat Latos are not what the Dodgers need. This club is clearly declining in my opinion. Why did they ever get Olivero? Johnson appears to be the biggest help.

    • Alex Wood’s numbers are comparable to Hamels’ over the past three years. He’s only 24. He could turn around and get flipped to the Tigres for Price, though. I won’t judge this until the smoke clears.

      I’m not high on Johnson, but Dodgers will also get young lefty reliever Luis Avilán.

        • The numbers say otherwise but, as I said, I won’t venture even a tentative judgement until the smoke clears on Friday.

      • And a 21 year old infielder, who is their Number 1 prospect. Next move should be interesting.

  3. Meanwhile, another blackout tonight. Three innings of Vin, and then I get Steinered.

  4. It doesn’t matter how many pitchers they pick up, if they can’t score runs, they won’t win (or they’ll need perfect pitching from everyone who comes in).
    Unfortunately, this last inning which started soo promisingly ended soo familiarly: in frustration.

  5. Been with grandbabies for two days. Just looked in to see a disaster of a half-inning. What’s happening to these guys?

  6. Through May 12, the Dodgers found ways to win.
    Since then, it’s been the opposite as often as not.

  7. Cool, I lost Internet briefly at 7-6 with puig at bat. We are not giving up the division lead to anyone!

  8. Terrific comeback after blowing the lead.
    Cloud Department: Kenley’s lack of effectiveness recently

  9. We still ended up with that stiff, Morse and his $12MM salary, though he’s almost certain to be traded or released, some players for the farm system, and maybe 3 pitchers for the Dodgers. Some of our bullpen is going down… Hated to see Olivera go, after we paid so much money and incurred the two year penalty. I think there is a chance now that Kendrick gets re-signed. Never an easy moment around here…

    • Dead meat now, Mike was a beloved player here in DC. The Nats sold high in 2013 (OPS+ 130 in his four years), much to the disappointment of the fans. They continued to play his walk up song at the seventh inning stretch until this year (fans could never quite hit the high notes of the chorus in the sing-a-long).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914

  10. I wonder if we could flip Latos and Morse and their salary to the Pads for one of their pitchers. They’re a cinch to trade Justin Upton.

    • Nobody wants Morse, and the Dodgers will will DFA him. The Pads will not want ex-Pad Latos, especially as a short-term rental. Dodgers have no need of Justin Upton.

      • You mis-read but that doesn’t surprise me. I in no way implied the Dodgers wanted Upton. And anyone who thinks he knows what any club will do, much less all the clubs, is wasting his time here, he should be working the stock market. San Diego especially, might do anything.

        • Why would SD want two months of Latos? And an overpriced Morse, who’s a defensive liability everywhere, for any length of time?

          • Maybe just the $15MM that comes with them. Whether we release Morris or trade him, we pay the money either way. Some clubs don’t care about winning, or at least don’t expect to, anybody they can get for free and send out on the field works for them.

    • Beyond using the abundant resource, money, as noted in the article, the other part of their madness/method is not to part with top prospects (Otherwise Hamels could have easily been had).

      • As a consistently winning team, Dodgers will not qualify for the highest draft choices, but they can overcome that at least partially by using their financial resources in unusual ways.

  11. Saw (at DD I think) that Kenley’s gopher balls aren’t coming on his cutter but on a 2-seam with armside run he seems to be trying. If so, maybe time to ax that experiment.

    Gameday thinks it’s cutters. But Gameday knows just so much.

  12. Again the Dodger FO takes a round about way of getting less than stellar players for what reason?? To get just OK pitching in this case. What reason could they possibly give?? They want to save money? I don’t think they need the money. Theiy gave away a prospect that they have paid over 20 some million dollars bonus. You can back these guys if you want but they are absolutely awful.

    • From Dave Cameron’s article (link below): “It’s making deals like this, rather than simply unloading the farm system for expensive stars, that are why the Dodgers are going to be really good for a really long time.”

      • In how many years? There is no guarantee that the prospects will be stars for the Dodgers. You probably need to read Dodger Digest and they will even tell you how to think.

          • Take a look at Rollins, McCarthy and others and tell me what the truthi is??

          • McCarthy was a free agent. Rollins was acquired for two minor leaguers who have yet to appear in the bigs. Grandal is having a far better year than Kemp at a very small pctg of the cost. Kendrick is far better than Dee Gordon was last year.

          • I don’t see Kendrick as far better than Gordon but the year is not over and then we can see how it all shakes out. Rollins is terrible.

          • Link said Kendrick is better than Gordon was last year. The difference is not quite so great this year. I hope Dee has a fine career, but he has a low ceiling.

          • Rollins have been worth -0.2 WAR so far this year, at a cost of $11 million. We are free of him after that. Hanley has WAR -0.1 and is owed $110 million through 2019.

          • In all fairness, you have to add that part of Kemp’s salary we’re paying to Grandals for an honest comparison.

          • Grandal has provided WAR 1.7 so far this year, Kemp 0.6. Grandal currently makes $0.7 million and is not an FA until 2019. What we are paying for Kemp would be about an additional $5 million annually over that period. Meanwhile, the Pads will pay $108 million for Kemp through 2019.

        • Well, the Dodgers are really good right now, and Cameron expects that to continue.

          • They definitely have the POTENTIAL to be really good right now. But since May 13, I believe they have been playing .500 ball, living off what they had built up.
            Once again, I’m hoping last night’s win can kick start them into playing like they once did.

    • Package, I get the sense you just want nine guys with the same name recognition as Reggie Jackson in the 1970s and if the team does that you’d be convinced they’d win every playoff and World Series for the next ten years.

      • Maybe you are right but I don’t think that you and I should have to go through all the crying every time the Dodgers lose when they could be untouchable. All these type of moves are for Friedman’s ego because they have enough money to get superstars and still continue to upgrade the farm but Friedman is too stubborn. Yes, the team has the highest payroll but much of the money is paying players the team let walk or traded away for reasons that have not materialized so far. It doesn’t have to be this hard to win. The FO is making it hard.

        • Maybe he thinks it’s more fiscally responsible to try to get the biggest bang for the buck? Cameron at Fangraphs makes a lot of sense when he talks about 85% of performance for 25% of the cost.

          • The name of the game is to WIN not save money in the Dodgers case. Oh wait, I could be wrong maybe they know they are making enough and want to make more.

          • The name of the game, at least for this Kasten and this FO, is to remain competitive over the years and make the crap shoot known as the playoffs on a consistent basis. The way I figure, over the past couple of years we were a couple of more Kershaw-like appearances from being in the WS. To sustain this, they felt they had to make some moves. As far as I can tell this has worked so far and apparently not at the expense of the longer term health of the club. We have basically the same record now as we had last year at this time. We shall see, but the evidence doesn’t suggest that they be run out of town yet.

          • Here’s the Dodgers’ 1988 World Series winner’s roster. There’s not a single player on that team, not Orel, not Kirk, not Fernando who made the Hall of Fame. It had Mike Sharperson, Mike Deveraux, Mickey Hatcher and Franklin Stubbs on it.

            How many of those guys would you have gotten rid of mid-year for bigger names?

          • What is remarkable is that since 1958, the club’s first year in L.A., not a single non-pitcher who played the bulk of his career in L.A. has made the Hall of Fame. Snider and Reese were voted in on the basis of their years in Brooklyn. Hall of Famers Drysdale and Koufax, who both started with the Brooklyn Dodgers, earned their Hall credentials because of their careers in L.A. and Sutton debuted in 1966 and made it based on how he performed with the L.A. Dodgers.

          • If I led you to believe that all the players had to be WS bound, I do not but they can be darn better than what we have seen so far.

          • After 102 games, the Dodger record this year is better than it was in either 2013 or 2014. Put the pitchfork back in the closet, at least for now.

          • It is, you are correct by 1 game. Now lets see if it can go 39-21 the rest of the way.

          • They didn’t have the unlimited supply of money the team now has. That was a pretty good team.

          • I will not disagree that it may be more fiscally resposible the get 85% of the performance for 25% of the cost. This may or may not be true but the chances of losing are much greater by not using proven winners.

        • No team is untouchable. Every team– no matter how many or how few big names– wins a third of its games every year, and loses a third. It’s the remaining third that determines championships.

          Wasn’t it Lasorda who first said that?

          • The 1954 Indians and the 1962 Mets, among others, defied the one-third, one-third formula.

          • As did the 2001 Mariners at 116-46. All outliers, extreme small sample size.

            True often enough to rank with thunder, lightning, and heavy wind meaning rain on the way. Or with the likelihood Lasorda will eat a lot of pasta over any given time period. ;-])

          • I’ve often wondered if any team will ever go 116-46 or better ever again

          • Seattle’s 71.6% win pct was astounding. But all it got them was beaten by the Yankees in the postseason. The ’27 Yankees only won 110 of 154, ever so slightly worse at 71.4%.

            Cleveland’s 111-43 was 72.07%, the all time best win pct. in the modern era. But, like Seattle, they lost the WS.

            The 1998 Yankees checked in at 114-48 and won the Series.

            Any time a team goes .600 or better in a season, it’s excellent in my book. Not that common.

        • Need to give the FO some credit. If they had kept Kemp and Hanley, the Dodgers would be paying $250 million through 2019 for two players that are currently contributing a combined 0.5 WAR to their teams. Rollins is at -0.2, but only costs $11 million and is gone next year. Grandal has provided WAR 1.7 at a salary of $0.7 million and is not an FA until 2019.

          • Bob with all due respect, as we all know, getting to the WS can be just a win or two away. Comparing WAR stats doesn’t mean anything if you don’t win. I am not argueing who makes the most money but rather what it takes to win. When you get a bunch of players who are over the hill or hurt or never perfomed and then bet on the come your odds can’t be good. Only a person with something to gain would do that. Friedman needs his ego stroked. Actually I think Joe Maddon deserves most of the credit for whatever those Tampa teams acheived. I am not disputing your money and WAR stats.

    • “Less than stellar” translates to “not big names, not players you recognize,” doesn’t it?

      From Cameron:

      “Going for Wood instead of Hamels or Price is somewhat similar to going for McCarthy instead of Max Scherzer or Jon Lester, with the Dodgers betting they can get 85-90% of the performance for 25% of the cost, and taking on some health risk in the process.”

      You won’t agree with them, but if you grasp that you’ll understand a lot….85-90% of the performance for 25% of the cost. IMO that dominates their thinking, health risk or not. Course, when you get down to it, all players are health risks to some degree.

    • Don’t think it’s the money. For the teams unloading their elite players this time of year they are usually looking for big league ready prospects and the FO is holding on to theirs for the longer term health of the club.

    • What’s that, five ex-Braves pitchers that we have picked up so far this year?

    • At age 38 and on the DL with TJ, he’s nothing more than another contract offloaded onto the Dodgers. When healthy, he’s the second coming of Eric Stults. Which means that if he ever throws a pitch for this team, things have gone very, very wrong.

      But he does flash plus-plus-plus DFA potential.

  13. One thing’s clear: With Olivera’s contract, this FO avoided the blunder Ned made with Guerrero.

    • If you are saying that the team should not have signed Olivera, I agree. This FO is just dancing around the pool.

      • I think we can blame Justin for being so freaking good, which made Olivera disposable.

      • I’m saying the current FO avoided the killer contract clause that keeps them from trading Guerrero. It was Ned’s fault they’re unable to trade him, while the new FO has turned Olivera into a quality starting pitcher, two usable relievers, and a top infield prospect.

        • Maybe 2 quality starters if Latos continues his resurgence of late. He’s had an adequate mid-rotation level career for the most part.

    • Yea right, the FO signed Olivera and then traded him and gave him 28 mil. What a great move.

    • Never mind Bob. His contract runs out at the end of the year. He will probably never suit up for the Dodgers. He is a salary dump.

  14. SI sez it’s a done deal.

    the Dodgers will receive righthander Mat Latos and first baseman Michael Morse from the Marlins. They will also receive pitchers Alex Wood, Jim Johnson, Bronson Arroyo and Luis Avilan as well as top prospect Jose Peraza from the Braves.

    In exchange the Braves will receive pitcher Paco Rodriguez and minor leaguers Hector Olivera and Zack Bird from the Dodgers.

    The Marlins will get minor league pitchers Jeff Brigham, Kevin Guzman and Victor Araujo from the Dodgers

    So we give up a 30-year-old Cuban infielder and a currently-injured relief pitcher plus four minor league pitchers none of us have ever heard of for two starters (Latos and Arroyo, the latter injured and possibly done for a career), Wood, who might be the best pitcher of the three if he lives up to potential, and some useful relief (Johnson and Avilan) and a 20-year-old highly-regarded shortstop prospect in Peraza. I’d call that a pretty darned good deal.

    I’d like to see Arroyo pitch for the Dodgers because I like his straight-leg windup and his guitar playing. 😉

      • So what, 90 wins gets us the division? To get there we need to win 33 more, which is a .555 pace. Our current pace is .559.

        • 90 wins is worse than the last 2 years. That does not compute to a better team.

          • I set the bar at getting back to the playoffs and throwing Clayton and Greinke at the opposition.

          • You can’t count them as they were there last year. You set the bar at never agreeing with me.

          • I do agree that we have to win more, but just 33 more. You want at least 39 more.

          • Yes it does, it is 4 losses the previous team did not have and everything else is speculation.

          • But yours is speculation. We have already established that the current team has more wins at this stage than either the 2013 or 2014 teams.

          • I said that 90 wins gets us the division and that seems doable at the current pace.

          • You don’t have to agree. 90 wins is a worse team than either of the last two teams.

          • No, it does not. You can’t arbitrarily make such a comparison from one year to the next.

          • If you didn’t win as many games, you are not as good. No matter the excuse.

          • Independent of W-L, the league and division are different from year to year. In a tougher division, you could win fewer games and still be a better team than you were the year before.

          • Over the course of 162 games which is a huge sample size all phases of the game are played. However many games are won or lost should prove how well a team plays rather than a small sample size where anything can happen or not happen. Whatever the record is says how well a team played. 94 wins is bettter than 88 or 90 even if one team wins the WS.

          • If that were the case, we wouldn’t have the playoff system — or at least put so much stock in it.
            I believe the Giants had the worst record among the playoff teams last year, but I’m sure all the other teams would have chosen to trade their record for where SF ended up.

          • Agreed but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Giants had the best overall team. They just happened to win when they needed to in a small series. It means that they had the best team for that period of time.

          • I think we would all agree that the Cardinals were a better team than other playoff teams last year. Some might even think the Dodgers were better but during their stretch with the Cardinals, the Cards played better and won that series. They might not have the best team.

          • Let’s be honest, the only criteria for “a better team” is one which advances in the playoffs.

    • That’s an excellent analysis. I don’t know if I agree with all of it, but it shows how to make sense of what the Dodgers are doing.

      • As a perennial contender, the Dodgers will never get the highest draft picks. This is how they can leverage their resources to stay on top without risking an inordinate number of huge back-loaded contracts to players who will soon be past their prime.

    • I’ll guess, given a healthy Beachy’s upside, that they hope he clears waivers. May want to keep Heisey also if they can.

      • Heisey’s not going to opt out of a lucrative contract. I’m not sure about Beachy’s contract status. Morse will not opt out either, but somebody will claim him at the minimum.

  15. Hatcher and Arroyo to the 60-day DL, Luis Avilan, Alex Wood & RHPs Jim Johnson, Mat Latos to roster, and as WBBsAs said below, RHP Brandon Beachy, OF Chris Heisey, IF/OF Michael Morse and RHP Chin-Hui Tsao designated for assignment. Morse probably won’t clear waivers. Heisey might, Beachy probably will due to inconsistency and injury history. Tsao, who knows?

      • You’d prefer Fausto Carmona and Kevin Correia to Wood and Latos? You’d rather ship off Seager and Urias? You’d burn the house down to stay warm for a night?

        • I am not making a case for any of your situations. I just want proven above average players. You see they have DFAed 4 players that they should have never had.

          • You only want players from Lake Wobegon?

            None of DFA’d guys played any significant role. Every team does this all the time.

          • In order to get Wood they had to accept Morse and his contract, knowing they’d DFA him. If Beachy had made two great starts the gamble of signing him might have looked different and he wouldn’t have been designated.

            Beachy, Tsao and Heisey were rolls of the dice. If they’d gotten Price, Hamel or one of the other big names they too would be rolls of the dice. The difference is in the amount of money you’d have to eat if snake eyes came up.

  16. The part of the write up on mlbtraderumours that I like the best about the 13 player trade, is the part that says that this will benefit our rotation not just in 2015, but possibly up to 2019

    • Winning now is important . . . but so is farsighted thinking. (As someone with extreme near-sighted vision, I can only imagine what that’s like!)

      • I like the idea of getting 2 very good starters over getting 1 excellent one

        • For less money, too. Latos will be a free agent, but Wood can’t be a free agent till 2020 and can’t even go to arbitration till 2017. If his arm stays healthy…

        • Good point, especially with the way starting pitchers have ended up on the DL lately.

  17. I don’t know how many of you are ESPN Insiders. I paid for it this year for the first and probably last time. Their Keith Law thinks this was an excellent deal for the Dodgers, “a mixed bag for the Atlanta Braves, and yet another trade for the Miami Marlins in which the owner can’t keep his hands out of the till.” What he means by that last crack is this:

    This deal was just about clearing salary for them, exactly as you’d
    expect from a team owned by someone who fleeced the taxpayers of Florida
    for a stadium that only enriches him and has left the handful of true
    Marlins fans every bit as bad off as they were with the old ballpark.

    About Latos and Wood, Law says

    He’s [Latos] a big upgrade in quality and in quantity — he takes some
    pressure off the bullpen — and is probably worth two extra wins to the
    Dodgers the rest of the way, perhaps more if you compare his production
    to the current crop of Dodgers fifth starters.

    The Dodgers also pick up lefty Alex Wood,
    who has been excellent over the past two-plus years for Atlanta,
    reaching the majors just a year after he was drafted, then developing a
    much-needed third pitch (a curveball) to give him the pitch mix to work
    as a starter. However, his arm action is long and awkward, and he had
    Tommy John surgery before he was drafted. He also has seen his velocity
    and strikeout rate gradually decline over the past two years (although
    he split time between the rotation and bullpen in his rookie season).
    Four years of control of even a league-average starter is a valuable
    asset, and one that helps the Dodgers, who have only two
    starting-pitching prospects (Julio Urias and Jose De Leon) close to the majors, but I worry that Wood may have already peaked.

    Then, about the remaining pieces:

    Jose Peraza,
    also heading to the Dodgers, was Atlanta’s top prospect coming into the
    season, but has a .318 OBP with little power in Triple-A right now, and
    most scouts and execs I’ve talked to feel like his ceiling is lower
    than expected; he’s going to be a quality regular, but probably not an
    above-average one or a star. I would modify that if the Dodgers put him
    back at shortstop where he belongs; Atlanta moved him off short under
    the Frank Wren regime because they had Andrelton Simmons
    in the majors, even though at that point Peraza was a good two years
    away from the big leagues. Peraza is a natural shortstop and became a
    plus defender at second right away; he’s probably a grade 55 (on the 20-80 scouting scale)
    defender back at short and, with that, doesn’t need to do much more
    than hit an empty .270-280 and steal some bases to be a very good big
    leaguer.

    The Dodgers’ haul also includes two relievers, lefty Luis Avilan and right-hander Jim Johnson, helping address a weakness in the middle innings, although they’re just fine in the ninth with Kenley Jansen and have gotten very good work from Yimi Garcia before him. Mike Morse is just a throw-in, earning $8 million next year but a long way removed from the career year he had in 2011, as he can’t play any position at even an average level and doesn’t get on base or make much contact against right- or left-handed pitching. Taking on his salary probably helped the Dodgers add the compensatory draft pick that’s going to Atlanta and avoid giving up that much to Miami in prospects.

    If they conclude Seager is too tall for short they could put him at third and then put Peraza at short.

  18. Here’s the link to the Dodgers’ President Andrew Friedman explaining the moves he and his team have made so far before the deadline.

    He expects both Latos and Wood to be in the starting rotation, which means Bolsinger is out of it. He may go for long relief or perhaps to AAA OKC to pitch regularly. “We expect Bols to continue to make an impact down the stretch,” he said.

  19. So, giants (sic) get Leake rental, but cost them their number 1 prospect from an admittedly weak farm system.

  20. Price rental to Blue Jays cost them the country’s 12th ranked prospect.

  21. Perspective for those unhappy because of no splashy trades–

    “Let’s face it,” Saxon wrote. “A playoff rotation of Clayton Kershaw, Greinke and Price just sounds more unbeatable than one in which the third name is Wood, Brett Anderson or Latos. Then again, what did Price, Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander get the Tigers last season in October? Not a single victory.

    “In 2011, the Philadelphia Phillies had Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels and Roy Oswalt. They lost in the first round to the St. Louis Cardinals.”

      • Still could happen offseason as a FA. Several reports have said he likes the Dodgers.

        Be interesting to see if this FO will ever sign a big name and pop for the megabuck contract. It’d go against what they’ve done so far, but they didn’t create the roster they inherited.

        First test will be Greinke. I think they’ll offer, maybe renegotiate to try to keep him out of FA, but not as many years so they’re not paying him into his late 30s. Highly unlikely they’d pop for Greinke AND Price.

        I kind of think they would have popped for Kershaw due to his age and generational and maybe all-time talent.

        Think they’re going to be hard to categorize and likely to spring surprises

        • Will be interesting to see how they deal with this. Would imagine that Cueto as well might be in the mix. Can we afford 3 starters in the $30 million range and would it be good use of the money? Salaries are expected to go from $282 million down to $207 million next year. Rollins, Kendrick, Anderson and Latos will be major FAs. Seems doable, but would depend on what they want the salary ceiling to be next year.

  22. Dodgers have 4 new pitchers to shoehorn into the 25 man roster. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade a couple of people off the 25 man roster before 1:PM…

    • Seem simple enough without trading. Send down Yimi, Lee and Ballslinger and DFA Peralta. Though I suppose they could try to trade the Peralta.