Game 78, 2015

Dodger at D-Backs, 6:40PM PT, TV: SPNLA

The Dodgers’ Bolsinger (4-2, 2.95 ERA) versus the Diamondbacks’ Webster (1-1, 6.46 ERA). Each pitcher was originally signed by his opponent today, Bolsinger by the D-Backs in the 15th round in 2010 and Webster by the Dodgers in the 18th round in 2008.

Lineups later.

Tonight’s #Dodgers lineup vs. D-backs:
Pederson CF
Kendrick 2B
Turner 3B
Gonzalez 1B
Puig RF
Ethier LF
Grandal C
Rollins SS
Bolsinger P

  • john galt

    It’s a nice quiet, nothing kind of day, might as well post something that has been on my mind of late. Batting coaches. When did teams start having batting coaches? I don’t remember hearing of them 40 or 50 years ago. I’m thinking, right or wrong, that they have had a lot to do with the lowering of batting averages and the ascendancy of the pitcher. Mark Maguire has honest credentials as a hitter but many of his cohorts don’t. A lot of them had little more than a cup of coffee in the majors and not even a sterling performance in the minors. The main requirement for the job seems to be having a friendship with the Manager or GM. I blame them for making batters take the first pitch, which is often the best he will see. Also the dreaded called third strike. Obviously the hitter was expecting something other than what was thrown, he has been taught “If this pitch is here (A high fastball for example) then the next will be there. (A curve low and away) This from guys who averaged .240 in their MILB career. No stats, just an opinion, have at it.

    • WBBsAs

      If hitting ability and teaching ability were the same, there would be a bidding war for Garry Sheffield.

      • john galt

        Good point, which brings up the question, Can anyone teach someone else to hit? Seems to me the great hitters of history had nothing in common as far as methods. I think hitting coaches do more harm than good.

        • WBBsAs

          I haven’t played much baseball in recent years but, in my more extensive experience in slow-pitch, I know what I have to do – but somehow that knowledge does not result in a 1.000 batting average.

          • john galt

            I think hitting a baseball, or pitching it, or even throwing a football, is a purely instinctive thing, requiring judgement from the brain, coordination of the muscles to visual stimuli, that no one can teach or help you with…

          • WBBsAs

            I think there are limits to what a coach can do – correcting truly awful practices, such as swinging from the heels, but not a lot more.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Unless they are Charlie Lau, doubt that many hitting coaches try to promote any specific model. At the very least it is having another pair of (outside) eyes focused on one’s own mechanics. Most hitter have a stockpile of video of when they were doing well at the plate that a hitting coach can refer to at the least compare the mechanics and let the hitter know where he may have deviated. So an eye for detail and good communication skills would be important. If they get there, the best ball that most hitters will see is 0-3, but tradition imposes a red light on 99% of them.

      • Or Walt Hriniak, who succeeded Lau with the White Sox when Lau died at the terribly young age of 50 of colorectal cancer.

  • WBBsAs
  • scooplew

    Results released today show that the number of Royals leading for All-Star Game positions is now down to five, still far too many based on the seasons that they are having. I wonder if new Commissioner Rob Manfred will be as pro-active as Commissioner Ford Frick was in 1957 when Cincinnati Reds’ fans stuffed the ballot boxes and voted seven Reds (and Stan Musial) into the starting lineup. Frick replaced Cincinnati’s Gus Bell and Wally Post with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron. Fans were stripped of the right to pick the starters after that season and weren’t allowed to do so again until 1970.

    • WBBsAs

      It’s time to let the players pick again. That said, the ASG been a total joke since the last good game in 1994, and I don’t even bother with it any more. I consider it a three-day break, as most of the players do.

      • scooplew

        And it has been expanded to a four-day break, I believe, for most teams.

        • WBBsAs

          They must have done that when I opted out.

  • WBBsAs

    Old friend Webster not in command…

  • A DP to get a run? Not a good tradeoff.

  • scooplew

    That first inning says volumes about the Dodgers’ failures in the last six weeks. Webster couldn’t find home plate with a map, a team of guides and a search dog and Gonzalez hits into a DP on a 2-0 pitch after he misses on 11 of his first 12 pitches.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      I just checked in and disappointed to see that recap. I sure hope that was AGon’s perfect pitch that he just didn’t hit; you would expect more discipline from a veteran.

      • scooplew

        We were in a great position for a rare, big inning. Not to be.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          You’re right, Scoop — that sums up what’s been bad since May 13th: big wheels keep on spinning . . .
          Hopefully they”ll be more productive tonight.

          • scooplew

            Thanks for taking my mind off the game and making me remember when I saw Creedence Clearwater in concert in San Francisco 46 years ago. Very memorable. Concert included Santana, Jefferson Airplane, and the Elvin Bishop Group at Winterland in San Francisco. It was a fund-raiser to raise bail for people who had been arrested in a big clash in Berkeley, where I was a student, over a piece of land called People’s Park.

  • WBBsAs

    Grandal nails the runner again!

  • WBBsAs

    Ballslinger sharp so far.

  • scooplew

    Pedersons’s last 38 plate appearances: 9 walks, 14 strikeouts in 29 at bats. 2 doubles, 2 homers.

    • WBBsAs

      Not optimum, but still a decent OBP of .342.

      • “Three true outcomes!” A walk, a strikeout, or a hit.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Not too bad. Over the past week, however, in 5 games he has an OPS of only .419, with 4 BB, 10 Ks, 1 double and zero dingers. (.222 babip).

    • WBBsAs

      Better update those stats.

  • B-to-B HRs!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Joc goes yard!

  • My goodness, what are the odds three HRs in an inning would each have no one on base?

    • WinnipegDave

      So. Many. Solo. Homers.

    • WinnipegDave

      Thought about this a bit. I guess the chances become better the more you hit. Especially at the back end of back to back (etc) HR’s.

  • WinnipegDave

    So, if I’m counting correctly, that makes 6 Dodgers that have at least 10 home runs.

    • WBBsAs

      Even Steiner figured that one out.

      • WinnipegDave

        Ahh, I only have radio.

    • WinnipegDave

      Imagine having 6 players with at least 20 home runs at the end of the season, including some with 30-40 HR’s? That seems like a lot.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        I remember when Dusty Baker hit an HR in his last AB to make it four with 30.

        • Bob_Hendley

          I have the “Original 30HR Quartet” bobblehead!

          • Bob_in_Vegas

            How cool!
            Do you have a bobblehead collection?
            Do the Nats have giveaways?

          • Bob_Hendley

            My only one. Friend brought it to my last year from visit to DS. Can’t imagine collecting Nats stuff, frankly.

          • RBI

            Me, too!

        • WBBsAs

          So do I.

    • Bob_Hendley

      At least 4 more (Puig, SVS, Howie and Jimmy) should make that club as well at some point.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Ballslinger quite a trooper going out there tonight (and then doing his job).

  • WBBsAs
  • WinnipegDave

    Good thing Greinke pitched deep yesterday. Bullpen will get used today – and likely tomorrow as well with Frias starting.

  • RBI

    Come on, Peralta! Can’t give them back like that…

  • WinnipegDave

    I guess it only takes 2 – 2 run home runs to get to 4. Lead cut in half.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Live by the dinger . . .

      • WinnipegDave

        Die by the men on base dingers.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Sure does seem like the opposition more frequently has someone on while LA’s are solo.

    • WinnipegDave

      Oh man. Another 2 run shot. Tie ball game.

  • RBI

    Scary couple of long outs there, but we escaped more damage.

    • WBBsAs

      I’d rather not see Peralta v. Goldschmidt next inning.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Frankly, I don’t like seeing Goldschmidt batting vs. any Dodger.

      • RBI

        It’s Yimi.

    • package206

      Hey RBI.

      • RBI

        Hi! Glad we just got two more…

        • package206

          Yea, clutch hit. Too bad Grandal decided to try and go to 3rd.

  • WinnipegDave

    Might get away with this home run.

    • RBI

      I don’t see how JT didn’t get the call the other day, but Thomas got this one.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Bullpen . . . bullpen . . . bullpen . . .

    • WinnipegDave

      Not mightier than the sword tonight.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        Ha!
        The sick guy pitched longer and better than any of the “firemen.”

        • WinnipegDave

          At least they didn’t cost Bolsinger the chance to get a win.

  • scooplew

    Of Pederson’s 20 homers, 17 have been with the bases empty, and yet Mattingly insists on batting him leadoff.

    • Bob_Hendley

      Probably at a loss on who to put there. Rollins had to be shifted down in the line up. He has tried Puig there at times, but he has only a OBP of 333 in those stints. Quique gets an occasional start there as well. Howie perhaps?

    • WBBsAs

      Perhaps because he’s the best OBP guy on the team, and one of the best in the league…

      You get him more ABs that way also.

  • WinnipegDave

    For whatever reason, still feel like we can and will win this one.

  • Bob_Hendley

    Dre with the hit off of a southpaw

    • WBBsAs

      An historic milestone. It woulda score anybody except AGon or A.J.

  • WinnipegDave

    This is on Grandal to get it done.

    • WBBsAs

      Can’t do much when they IBB him.

  • WinnipegDave

    Okay JR. One of your deep fly balls would work here.

    • RBI

      Or a nice, sweet double?

      • WinnipegDave

        You win! 🙂

  • RBI

    Nice hit, JRoll!

  • WinnipegDave

    Don’t stop now Dodgers.

  • WinnipegDave

    Dear Dodgers
    It might be good to get out of this inning before Goldschmidt comes to bat. Respectfully,
    WinnipegDave

    • package206

      Good one Dave!!!HA

    • RBI

      Yes, please.

  • RBI

    Jeeze, Double steal? Really?

  • RBI

    .!,@&££#!!!!!!

  • Bob_Hendley

    Inning fell apart on Juan after first two outs.

    • RBI

      Terrible.

  • RBI

    I blame the announcers, who have been talking nonstop about how good our bullpen has been lately.

    • WBBsAs

      Blaming Steiner is never wrong.

    • scooplew

      Our bullpen seems either to be brilliant or awful with not much in between.

  • WinnipegDave

    The jokes on the Diamondbacks. That triple meant the double steal was meaningless.

    • RBI

      Unless it shook up Libertore.

  • RBI

    (Also blame the bullpen, of course.)

  • WinnipegDave

    May as well go a head and walk Thomas as well. Rather face Lamb.

    • WinnipegDave

      Unless Tomas swings at nose-level pitches.

  • WinnipegDave

    D’backs achieved over 20% of Dodgers season total of stolen bases that inning.

    • scooplew

      Great statistic!

      • WinnipegDave

        Billy Hamilton achieved 28.5% of the Dodgers season total of stolen bases in his game tonight.

    • package206

      No really good leadoff guy since Dee left.

  • WinnipegDave

    Feel a little less confident about this game, then I did at 4-4. Especially now that Joc popped out on a 3-1 pitch.

  • RBI

    Let’s go AGon, clap clap, clapclapclap

  • RBI

    Oh, well. Bad swings happening all over…

  • WinnipegDave

    It would be great if the D’Backs didn’t score 2 runs for the 4th straight inning.

    • RBI

      I wish you hadn’t said that….

  • package206

    A leadoff walk, not good.

    • WinnipegDave

      Dodger batters seemed to try and avoid being thrown ball four the last few innings.

    • RBI

      You speak the truth.

  • RBI

    Not our bullpen’s night so far. More holes than Swiss cheese (does that even make sense?)

    • WinnipegDave

      Swiss cheese is really tasty with ham. It’s the peanut butter and jam of the cheese and meat world.

  • RBI

    We. Need. A. Double. Play.

  • WBBsAs

    I’d like to be able to blame Don for this, but I can’t. Everybody in the pen has imploded so far.

  • RBI

    I give up.

    • WinnipegDave

      You lasted longer than the Dodger bullpen before giving up.

      • RBI

        Bada boom!

        • WinnipegDave

          That’s how you spell it! I tried ba dum bum – but that didn’t look right. 🙂

  • RBI

    Only two men left in the bullpen.What in the heck is going on?

  • RBI

    Appealing that the runner missed first base. Now that’s just desperate.

  • RBI

    We shoulda stuck with Balsinger, upset stomach or not.

  • RBI

    Oh brother. Unglued.

  • package206

    Well, got one out.

  • RBI

    These are the times that try fans’ souls.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      These times are getting longer and longer . . . gotta give ’em credit, tho — they’re finding different ways to lose.

      • RBI

        Ha! True.

    • WinnipegDave

      For some reason, these games don’t bother me. The dodgers aren’t this bad and have beaten AZ 7 straight times. It may “embarrass”*or “make them mad”* so that they turn it around the next night.

      *Im not sure pro teams actually feel like this or just roll with the ups and downs of a long season. But it seems like a good narrative for fans like me to believe in.

      • RBI

        But that “Beat L.A.” chant Is so irritating!

        • WinnipegDave

          I’m pretty sure Dante mentioned a certain level of Hell was having listen to that chant throughout all eternity.

          • WinnipegDave

            Or there was a level of Hell that those who chanted it would end up in.

  • RBI

    I fear we may never get out of this inning.

    • WBBsAs

      It feels like the longest inning of the season.

      • RBI

        Yup. And it still ain’t over.

  • RBI

    I never do this, but I’m losing steam.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      So are the Dodgers.

      • RBI

        They’ve played a lot of games in a row. Brutal schedule. Running on fumes tonight. (And now Howell is coming in.)

  • WinnipegDave

    Silver lining: Probably rest Jansen tonight.

    • RBI

      Don’t be too sure.

  • RBI

    Can somebody please make this stop?

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Throw in the towel. Something is contagious in the bullpen and it’s not good.

      • RBI

        Okay. I’m turning off the sound and playing a few rounds of solitaire.

  • WinnipegDave

    Remember when the Dodgers had the bases loaded and no one out in the 1st inning. The D’Backs have made a mockery of that here.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      And the Dodgers have made a habit of that, it seems.

  • package206

    Does anybody know if Guerrero can pitch?

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Can’t do worse than these relievers tonight.

  • WinnipegDave

    Okay. This is my fault. I should have been more specific when I said I hoped the DBacks didn’t score 2 runs for the 4th straight inning. I was meaning no runs not four or more.

  • WinnipegDave

    This must feel so gratifying for AZ fans. Because it feels pretty lousy to me.

  • RBI

    Silver lining: I won my first round of solitaire.

    • WinnipegDave

      Woo-HOO?

      • RBI

        Nope. Doesn’t qualify for that. But you did make me laugh!

        • WinnipegDave

          We will take any kind of win here tonight. 🙂

  • WinnipegDave

    Can’t wait to read Dodgers Digest’s recap of this one.

  • RBI

    It would be nice to get one back, just to save face.

    • WinnipegDave

      And win the next 2 games of the series.

  • RBI

    Ethier with the bowling ball single!

    • WinnipegDave

      Wouldn’t it be fun if now we got a 2 run home run?

  • RBI

    Down to the final out.

  • Bob_in_Vegas

    Silver lining: they will still be in 1st . . . clinging.

    • RBI

      Great minds… See above.

      • Bob_in_Vegas

        🙂

  • RBI

    We are clinging to first by an eyelash hair.

  • package206

    Thankfully, its over!!

  • WinnipegDave

    The best part of the last 4 innings has definitely been everyone’s comments. As the Dodgers tanked, we got better and better (IMHO).

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Is it 1:30 by you, Dave?
      That just adds to the yuck-factor of this game.

      • package206

        Its 1:30 at my house. Goodnight.

        • Bob_in_Vegas

          Sleep well . . . as well as you can after this fiasco.

      • WinnipegDave

        Only 12:30. But it was worth it to converse with all of you fine people.

  • RBI

    Not a fun game, for me. But the company was great.

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      The beauty of this site.
      Once again, thanks for providing this link to each other, Link!

  • RBI

    Good night, my friends. Misery loves company. Tomorrow is another day. Make lemonade out of lemons… (I am using every cliche in my personal bullpen. Who am I missing?)

    • WinnipegDave

      Every dog has it’s day. And tonight’s game was certainly a dog.

  • Bob_Hendley

    This 33 games in 34 days started way back on May 29 with the road trip to StL, with the current trip the longest of the three during this period. The first two were terrible. Hope we can salvage the last two games in this series to end on a winning note and just above .500 for June. Still, the question will remain on whether we are weathering a bad stretch or this is the way it is going to be. The upcoming homestand should offer some respite with the welcoming of the cellar dwellers of the East (Fillies) and Central (Brewers), but also the revitalized Metropolitans. Then back on the road to meet the best that the East has to offer, including the Nats here in DC!

    • Bob_in_Vegas

      Unfortunately, I won’t be seeing the Dodgers in DC — I could’ve gotten away for the Sunday game, but my brother has tickets for Friday (guess my memory was on wishful thinking) . . . . I will still visit muggy VA/DC, just not then.

      • Bob_Hendley

        Sorry to hear. We are going to need all the help we can get against these Nats!

  • WBBsAs

    The topic of batting coaches came up yesterday, so https://twitter.com/OnionSports/status/615963045265735684

  • NPUT

  • john galt

    Today’s subject is… Dave Stewart. Honestly, prior to it’s happening, how many of you said to yourself, “I wonder why Dave Stewart isn’t a GM?”. I could not have been more surprised by it (rumors disregarded). I liked Stewart as a ballplayer. I had nothing against him as an agent. (He repped Matt Kemp among others) He wasn’t Scott Boras but he wasn’t some of the dingalings who have become agents lately either. But with no experience, why would anyone hire him as a GM? Especially Phoenix. If it were Oakland or some large city with a large black population, I could see it as a fan connection. But why Phoenix? I bet they have White, Mexican, and Indian populations larger than Black. Some of his trades and signings have been real head-scratchers. So I’m stumped. If you know, please explain.